Session Start: Sat Nov 20 13:46:25 2010 Session Ident: #nonprophets [13:46] * Now talking in #nonprophets [13:46] * Topic is 'The Non-Prophets will be live Saturday the 20th, 2010 from 2pm CST, 8pm UTC. Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for information on live shows, hiatus and more.' [13:46] * Set by debdrup!debdrup@nerdheaven.ws on Sat Nov 20 13:48:51 [13:46] wow, I arrived in time [13:46] hallo. [13:46] * ChanServ sets mode: +ao Non-Prophets Non-Prophets [13:46] rudeboy: just in the proverbial nick of time. [13:47] Sorry, I don't know "Nick". [13:47] You don't know Jack either. [13:47] ...? [13:47] True [13:47] I think watching Matt's debate with Unclever Hans made my blood temperature skyrocket [13:47] Hallo, Mike the I [13:47] Evening sir Matt of Mattness. [13:47] err, blood pressure [13:47] whatever [13:47] THEY'RE RELATED [13:47] yeah ... [13:47] MikeTheInfidel: i loved it, if thats the best they could do... [13:48] that guy was incredibly transparent [13:48] * Pombolo has joined #nonprophets [13:48] "We can't have a beer." [13:48] * sc0tt has joined #nonprophets [13:48] hitler hitler gulag gulag fiction is truer than truth relativism relativism relativism NO I'M NOT BEING RELATIVISTIC I'M BEING OBJECTIVE RELATIVISM IS BAD bluster bluster bullshit condescend [13:48] why not?? [13:49] that was their debate?? [13:49] I'm going to be Father Hans: [13:49] sounds about right [13:49] it was so underhanded to wait until he got the final word to do that crap too [13:49] Yikes, they have gone over the cliff [13:49] Truth is revealed through narrative, okay? Like I said, truth comes into the world through a word, okay? [13:49] music is the truth people! the french existentialists know about it.. [13:49] Nazis were driven by atheism, okay? [13:49] I kept wondering what he and Matt would have discussed while sharing a beer. [13:49] did matt do well? [13:49] the guy flat out stated that his presuppositions were that god exists and is the ultimate source of truth [13:50] I'm not sure you can still call it a "debate" after that [13:50] matt rocked, though it would've been nice if the moderator allowed him to respond to Hans' BS [13:50] even if it broke format [13:50] stonefury: presuppositionalism is the new black. [13:50] ah, yes, the whole beauty thing. Claiming that reason doesn't cover something that it doesn't cover and therefore god exists [13:50] asonge: that's such a hot word. [13:50] Deign, which was totally unrelated to the debate subject [13:50] * Havaan has joined #nonprophets [13:50] Presuppositionalism, mmmmmmmmm. [13:50] wasn't a debate; just a string of unprovable assertions [13:50] sorta sounds like every other theist-atheist debate [13:50] right [13:50] Hans' entire argument was basically "presupposing a deity is useful and therefore I win" [13:50] debdrup: you can't fight it either :/ [13:50] asonge: you can, with rocks. [13:51] he just started from the presup that god has the morality and preached without bothering with anything else [13:51] hans was like rambling and incoherent half the time, even stating that he forgot the point he was trying to make [13:51] "i presuppose you are an idiot." [13:51] It's just not a very nice way of fighting it [13:51] or an Acme anvil? [13:51] rudeboy: that's another option. [13:51] the show on today? [13:51] also, anybody else notice a similarity between Hans' use of "okay" and that of cold readers like John Edwards [13:51] Havaan: guess. [13:51] I like it. WOrks for the coyote [13:51] "I'm seeing an older male, okay?" [13:51] Havaan: presumably [13:51] dont know [13:51] With ~30 people here and the topic stating there will be a show, what do you think, Havaan? [13:51] "and he's got a uniform on, okay? I don't know what kind, could be military, could be police, but he's wearing a uniform. okay?" [13:51] i dont know i cant connect =P [13:52] wait, have to change channels for the show ... [13:52] No, you can't connect because the show is not on NOW, however you were asking if it's on today - and the answer to that is a very probable yes, Havaan. [13:52] lol. [13:52] stream isn't up yet [13:52] =P [13:52] don't cross the streams [13:52] "okay" used in upspeak is fairly common verbal tic [13:52] thanks you could of just said that [13:52] 'okay' seemed to punctuate something he felt was really profound but actually seemed random and pointless [13:52] MikeTheInfidel: i mean, it's hard to say that matt should've BS'd more so he'd just dilute his opposition...but that guy just droned on and fucking on. [13:52] you can lead a horse to drink but you can't make him water [13:52] YOU CAN LEAD AN ATHEIST TO LOGIC BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE HIM THINK HAR HAR [13:53] wait, my ears are bleeding [13:53] sounds like you need some Christ-on [13:53] apply directly to the god-shaped hole [13:53] Being the rectum? [13:53] banana [13:53] couldn't I just use sour cream? [13:53] I don't think you wanna put sour cream up your ass, rudeboy. [13:54] come on, rude boy boy. [13:54] Neither do I [13:54] * raynet has joined #nonprophets [13:54] misquoting " there 3 kinds of lies: lies, Damn lies, and logic" [13:54] I always lie [13:54] I hear electric buzzing. [13:55] take the toaster out of the bathtub [13:55] "Truth is in narrative." [13:55] stream up? [13:55] Denamic: hitchhikers guide ref: the man who always lies, and he was later discovered to not be telling the truth about that. [13:55] Eikylon: there's -something-. ;) [13:55] does anyone remember what hans said about atheism only being able to exist in a christian society? [13:55] hans? [13:55] Wait, what? [13:55] stonefury: yeah [13:55] How does that work? [13:55] * Philly has joined #nonprophets [13:55] Stream is up but silent [13:56] yep [13:56] no atheists in foxholes or jewish ones i guess [13:56] debdrup: because only christianity tolerates opposition because they have respect for the individual. [13:56] Pombolo: not entirely silent. Buzzzzzzzz. [13:56] * sc0tt has quit IRC (Goodbye) [13:56] * sc0tt has joined #nonprophets [13:56] that was the most bizarre statement about atheism I've ever heard [13:56] Hmmmm... I'm not hearing the buzz [13:56] are jews in foxholes look at palestine [13:56] I'm not hearing anything [13:56] asonge: so let's forget about all the other tolerant religions like buddhism, taoism, shintoism and everything else basically. [13:56] * Link2k has joined #nonprophets [13:56] no theists in emergency wards [13:56] stonefury: i've been hearing it more and more. basically, it boils down to because the first thinkers of the enlightenment were christian, the enlightenment principles are christian principles. [13:56] perhaps der buzz in in der bad equipment .... ? [13:56] Pombolo: turn up your speakers! :D [13:56] suggests atheism couldn't exist if everyone was atheist [13:56] lol [13:56] i dont here the buzz but itunes has a clock on if the streams up and its up [13:57] * DorisES has joined #nonprophets [13:57] If everyone was atheists, the term atheism would lose its purpose [13:57] Roland: same goes for you, turn up your speakers and you'll hear it :) [13:57] but whats the meaning of christian ? [13:57] well you cant spell atheist, with out a theist calling you one [13:57] My iTunes is clean. no buzz, just the counting clock [13:57] i hear 60hz hummm [13:57] * lb doesn't hear the stream [13:57] there we go. [13:57] we might not have the word but the meaning would still exist [13:57] (can't connect) [13:57] ok yeah i here it too [13:57] definitely a buzz. [13:57] * Hexacyanojebus has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [13:58] turned the volume up to 400% in vlc and it's real [13:58] Now turn your speakers down again before you're deafened. :P [13:58] not juts going crazy [13:58] just* [13:58] I don't hear a thing [13:58] Russell is on his way and then we'll get started [13:58] ditto MikeTheInfidel [13:58] now idk if I'm connected properly or if it filled up without me [13:58] ...get a proper music player, MikeTheInfidel. :P [13:58] The oscilloscope says there's a disturbance in the stream [13:58] vlc *is* a proper music player :P [13:58] vlc works for everything =D [13:58] vlc <3 [13:58] VLC isn't a proper anything [13:58] * protopod has joined #nonprophets [13:58] ah now i hear it [13:59] with speakers maxed [13:59] when WMP quicktime and the rest fail [13:59] i go to vlc [13:59] =) [13:59] vlc works better for me than any player I've used [13:59] It plays a lot of stuff, but it's butt ugly [13:59] Deign: VLC works for everything but MKVs [13:59] Deign: unless you are willing to use old old VLC [13:59] it works for mkvs just fine... [13:59] um...are you sure? i thought that it did [13:59] yeah, when i go to listen to audio, the first thing i think is i want a beautifully skinned player. [13:59] srsly [13:59] * RedKnight has joined #nonprophets [13:59] i've had it play mkvs before [13:59] i play 1080 mkv's over the network with vlc *shrug* [13:59] hey... everything should have pretty skins! [13:59] MikeTheInfidel: VLC dies on about 50% MKVs i have, doesnt like them at all [14:00] O_o [14:00] yah its funky for me, to get it to add MKVS when doing a folder add [14:00] sounds more like a personal problem [14:00] MikeTheInfidel: it depends, if the MKV has chapters etc, VLC doesnt like them at all [14:00] show me where on the doll the bad mkv touched you [14:00] oh, something works. I don't hear anything, though [14:00] VLC works for me nearly all the time [14:00] I've had MKVs make me touch myself in places [14:00] MikeTheInfidel: unfortunately MPlayer doesn't work anymore on my mac, so there is not much i can do [14:00] MikeTheInfidel: it doesn't do dxva for video, it doesn't do flac+cue properly for music and there's no real upnp/dlna support. [14:00] I've never even seen an MKV with chapters... [14:00] * protopod has quit IRC (protopod) [14:01] I have - made one pyself :) [14:01] You probably have but never noticed [14:01] chapters are just another track [14:01] MikeTheInfidel: watch more anime mkvs, some of them seem to have chapters [14:01] MikeTheInfidel: or some other MKV extras [14:01] I watch hundreds of then, lol [14:01] Baccano! has chapters. [14:01] them* jesus christ I can't spell today [14:01] (Excellent anime, by the way) [14:01] Chapters are just timestamps that you can jump to [14:01] is npr on yet? [14:01] * johnny has joined #nonprophets [14:01] still hear nothing [14:01] lb: it will be. [14:01] VLC likes to think about a minute before beginning to play some MKVs and if you try to seek, it dies, or just restarts from beginning [14:01] Yes, it works. Woo. [14:02] I've never had any problems at all with VLC... [14:02] I heard Russell. [14:02] even broken video files it works better than mplayer for me [14:02] could be a few codecs interfering with it [14:02] there it is [14:02] There tis [14:02] there we go, we has audio [14:02] yippee [14:02] woot, sounds [14:02] Wow, you guys are behind. [14:02] yay [14:02] i hear stuff [14:02] audioz [14:02] i have sounds [14:02] Woot [14:02] Waaaay behind. [14:02] ohhh [14:02] pre show scripting ... [14:02] and gone again... [14:02] aww. [14:02] I blame god [14:02] debdrup: has to do with the buffer in the audio stream :P [14:02] * Fishy has joined #nonprophets [14:02] mic check, and ringo paul george and jon check [14:02] Denamic: which one of them? [14:02] the sound was here and then we were left behind [14:03] Ganesh [14:03] The great earthmother!! [14:03] * blenderhead has joined #nonprophets [14:03] ta da boom [14:03] * DaBigQ has joined #nonprophets [14:03] asonge: and that my audioplayer owns. [14:03] I hear YOU [14:03] is that Martin? [14:03] HI SHILLIN' [14:03] No [14:03] no [14:03] Lonely out in space, aw yeah. [14:03] Best track ever. [14:03] mmm beer [14:03] BEER! [14:03] ?????? [14:03] Beer FTW [14:03] mic test success? [14:03] So Shilling broke out of jail then? [14:03] it was almost so lonely out in space [14:03] wow. such a bad boy [14:04] and then, dead air [14:04] i <3 shilling [14:04] fail [14:04] i dont hear anything? [14:04] it is so ronery out in the space [14:04] blenderhead: just wait [14:04] ok [14:04] *shakes paw* science dam you internet streams [14:04] * rudeboy is waiting [14:04] * Pombolo is tapping fingers [14:04] I just imagined team america's kim jong il puppet singing that song [14:04] theyre not saying anything right now [14:04] I blame Amaterasu for that one [14:05] * lb hears strange beeps [14:05] * MikeTheInfidel is now known as ShockOfGod [14:05] beep boop [14:05] Shock! [14:05] It's a hearing tess listen closely [14:05] well, that shock wore off [14:05] lb: the wonders of electronics not suited for studio usage. :p [14:05] erectronics? [14:05] hit it with a stick [14:05] maybe the show collapsed into a singularity [14:05] We're going to start in just a minute or two....I'm having a minor technical problem [14:05] I'm a master of daily erectronics [14:06] a minor testicle problem folks, back soon [14:06] matt's a master debater [14:06] must rearrange underwear folds [14:06] Gawd smote the radiophonic atheistic equipments! [14:06] Switch the Dillahunty International Studios off... then back on again. [14:06] Is it STDs? [14:06] I'm pantsless, no underwear rearranging necessary. [14:06] Lets all pray that the show starts soon and see if god will help us out. [14:06] That might've been too much information.. [14:06] denamic, how many volts does it take? [14:06] Need to do some Jesus-Camp style praying over the microphones [14:06] Call India! [14:06] INdia ink? [14:06] Over 9000! [14:07] or INdia inc.? [14:07] I did that just for you debdrup [14:07] and now, on a non prophets special nude edition... [14:07] lol [14:07] all hairy balls, all the time [14:07] nonprophets... after dark! [14:07] * mathmexican has joined #nonprophets [14:07] naw, shilling waxes [14:07] and now something completely different, the larch [14:07] Hairy balls? [14:07] hah! [14:07] Sandy balls is where it's at [14:07] http://www.sandy-balls.co.uk/ [14:07] Denamic: thank you? [14:07] oooh, gritty [14:07] It actually exists [14:08] penisland.com [14:08] Manscaping devine or not? [14:08] well, okay - not quite that. [14:08] show still not on for anyone else? [14:08] * Sieg has joined #nonprophets [14:08] penisland.net [14:08] * ShockOfGod is now known as MikeTheInfidel [14:08] these appear to be links that I would do better to not click on [14:08] for me, MikeTheInfidel [14:08] At least it's not meatspin [14:08] penisland.net is actually legit. [14:08] got a few ppl with that pen island site, when starting their buisness. made it all the more fun, with them being homophobers [14:08] or lemon party [14:08] * ville has joined #nonprophets [14:08] pen island [14:08] Pen island [14:08] starting [14:08] still not on for me [14:08] still beeping dooms here [14:09] here we go [14:09] two girls and a cup FTW [14:09] so is comparethemeerkat.com [14:09] conveniently close to pedoph isle [14:09] * Sieg has quit IRC (Sieg) [14:09] oooooooooooooooooooooo [14:09] * Sieg has joined #nonprophets [14:09] I hear it now... am I lagging much? [14:09] should i be hearing anything yet? [14:09] now I have it [14:09] nvm [14:09] just up now [14:09] ok [14:09] long buffer [14:09] * Sieg has quit IRC (Sieg) [14:09] :) [14:09] oh, low bitrate galore [14:09] stonefury: someone listens to the Carolla podcast. [14:09] yaze! [14:10] toyota carolla? [14:10] heh heh heh [14:10] lb: you'll have to pay for the high bitrate, or sacrifice a kitten [14:10] see what I did there.... [14:10] <------ Turns on Winamp visualazation to see the pretty designs [14:10] w00t [14:10] lb: it's a talk-podcast. What do you expect? [14:10] there we go. [14:10] off and on, I listened to a lot more loveline though where the idea was introduced [14:10] intro now? [14:10] Dickish, nice. [14:10] prude one? [14:10] yay shilling [14:10] yeap intro [14:10] i thinknots [14:10] debdrup: no music - or chiptunes which might work better. ^^ [14:10] The Empire does not tolerate failure or low bitrate! [14:10] tone troll intro? [14:11] * Danish has joined #nonprophets [14:11] haha [14:11] show started? [14:11] alienation ftw [14:11] Danish: yes. [14:11] someday i'll call that voicemail [14:11] ya [14:11] no jersey cabbages today? 8/ [14:11] sound like they're "militant" today, ha ha [14:11] just now [14:11] yes, Danish [14:11] cool [14:11] you say that Denamic but the U.S has some god aweful internet speeds [14:11] bunch of unskeptical bastards [14:11] some of our highway speeds are pretty bad too [14:11] Denis...you're a dick [14:12] * JCWOLF skeptical wolf is...skeptical [14:12] They've censored shilling! [14:12] yaze! 90 mins! [14:12] longer is better! [14:12] censorship casts a shilling? huh. [14:12] awesome [14:13] Longer [14:13] thats what she said [14:13] anybody see Matt vs. Jacobse? [14:13] the episode that never ends! [14:13] that debate was fucking amazing [14:13] dembski never argued the subject [14:13] Does someone have a link to the debate online? [14:13] * lb needs to see Dembski (or however you spell him :)) [14:13] it'll be online Monday [14:13] hitchens' was amazing? [14:13] hitchens started out slow [14:13] I did a liveblog: http://miketheinfidel.blogspot.com/2010/11/live-blogging-hitchensdembski-debate.html [14:13] but then got his pace up [14:13] but some reason i think the believers still think they won [14:13] I should probs watch this hitchens debate even though i can't stand him [14:13] hitchens rolled dumbski [14:13] Looking forward to Monday [14:14] where will that be posted? [14:14] is the hitchens dembski debate online? [14:14] MikeTheInfidel: the praise and worship session ended up wearing off. [14:14] Came out? like he was ever denying it [14:14] it'll be back on their site on monday I believe [14:14] How's Hitchens' Health? [14:14] they said it'll be online Monday 11/22 at http://pcawebcast.com/2010debate/ [14:14] last i saw him RedKnight, he's bald [14:14] He looked rough, but it didn't slow him much [14:14] Thanks, Mike [14:14] I'm bald..... not sick. [14:14] RedKnight: he walked very fast behind me when i first got into the church...and had a lot of bounce. [14:14] he's looking swell from the alabama debate, he still has it [14:15] what about pre-Darwin Atheists? [14:15] considering he's doing kemo [14:15] Derp! [14:15] * Kyle has joined #nonprophets [14:15] Fast is good..... hope for the best. [14:15] he said that evolution was a fundamental principle of ancient creation stories [14:15] SCIENCE BE PRAISED [14:15] yes bigq [14:15] woohoo [14:15] that they were "prototypes" of evolution [14:15] * NeutronJack has joined #nonprophets [14:15] lol [14:15] great name [14:15] way to stick it to the priest Matt...great job [14:15] he actually claimed that all ancient creation stories were purely materialist [14:15] NJ! [14:15] Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuudeboy! [14:15] in a way they are as there bad attempts at explaining how things started [14:16] alt stream ---->http://66.228.123.40:8000/listen.pls [14:16] * Kazim has joined #nonprophets [14:16] or proggressed [14:16] lol [14:16] no no, he meant that they started with purely materialist simple things and evolved into complex universes [14:16] how"s it, dude? [14:16] matt's opponent seemed semi drunk [14:16] it was mostly christian, yeah. [14:16] * debdrup sets mode: +h Kazim [14:16] even the stories about cosmic eggs and such [14:16] semi drunk with "the holy spirit" [14:16] is matt's full debate up yet? i can only find 1-6 [14:17] 1-8 are online [14:17] 1 through 8 [14:17]