Session Start: Sat Mar 07 12:35:19 2009 Session Ident: #nonprophets [12:35] * Now talking in #nonprophets [12:35] * Topic is 'Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information!' [12:35] * Set by Non-Prophets on Sat Feb 21 14:31:46 [12:35] * ChanServ sets mode: +qo Non-Prophets Non-Prophets [12:35] -> *chanserv* topic #nonprophets Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information! [12:35] * ChanServ changes topic to 'Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information!' [12:36] Ok....Microbiologychick is in town...so I'm obviously distracted and running behind schedule. We're going to get some lunch. I'll setup the stream later. [12:43] * Vebcy_BG has joined #nonprophets [12:45] * FalseImago has joined #nonprophets [12:45] * Venci has joined #nonprophets [12:45] * Moohammad has joined #nonprophets [12:46] They start in 15min, right? [12:46] hey [12:46] yeah [12:47] Alright. Why is the place empty? [12:47] does anyone know when we can start listening to the live stream? [12:47] * Scanner has joined #nonprophets [12:47] It's usually shortly before the show begins, you just gotta keep trying. [12:47] i mean like TAE starts live streaming on the internet a little earlier, than the show's on TV [12:48] i see [12:48] 10x [12:48] The show should start in 75 mins. Matt is running late. So it will probably be later than that. [12:49] and who are you and how do you know that? [12:49] * Vebcy_BG has quit IRC (CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) [12:50] Yeah, how do you know? [12:50] i mean, Matt teaches us to be sceptics and question enything and Matt is our spiritual lider :) [12:50] so i question you ;) [12:51] I was here a bit earlier when matt left a message saying Microbiolgychick was in town and he was running late [12:51] becides, there's this other thing that they have a time frame for the show and they can't just move it as it suits them [12:51] They are going to start late [12:51] They havent' started the streaming y et. [12:51] * Vingummimannen has joined #nonprophets [12:51] I'll stick around anyway, but it sucks if that's true.... [12:52] * Venci is now known as Vency [12:52] (10:36:45 AM) Non-Prophets: Ok....Microbiologychick is in town...so I'm obviously distracted and running behind schedule. We're going to get some lunch. I'll setup the stream later. [12:52] That was 20 minutes ago [12:52] * Vingummimannen is now known as Zarlan [12:52] Who's Microbiologychick anyway? [12:52] Matt's girlfriend. [12:52] Friend of the show [12:52] Oh, ok. [12:53] and at one point, caller to TAE who played a prank under the name Eve. [12:53] That was her? How did Matt not realise? lol [12:53] Cause at that point they weren't together. [12:54] when was that show? [12:54] Oh... So it hasn't been too long then. Alright. [12:54] Few months ago [12:54] yeah, was a good one [12:54] i think i remember something about some Eve woman [12:54] July 27th of 2008 [12:55] So actually it was further back than I thought [12:55] is any of you guys part of the ACA? [12:55] http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3454662743009947826 is the google video for that [12:55] Im a member if thats what you mean [12:55] well yeah [12:55] cause i kinda have a question [12:55] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DilJp4b_Iuw this is the youtube clip [12:55] i'm not sure if i can phrase it right cause i'm from bulgaria [12:56] but anyway i'll try [12:56] I'm just a fan. [12:56] you know about the chromosone 2, right [12:56] that's two fused chromosones [12:56] right [12:56] I guess. Not a biologist/genetics buff so not sure. [12:57] Knowing that, is not dependent on being a member of the ACA, though. [12:57] so somewhere in the past one individual had 24 pares and his son or daughter [12:57] had 23 [12:57] pairs [12:57] not pares :) [12:57] anyway [12:57] so now we have one person with 23 chromosons [12:58] but in order for this person to have a child he or she has to find another person with 23 pairs [12:58] Um... for the record, I DID realize it was a prank call, and voiced my suspicions. However, I didn't know WHO it was. Now, I do...and I've turned her into my willing sex slave as punishment [12:58] what are the odds for 2 persons to have mutated at the same time both having 23 pairs instead of 24 [12:59] lol [12:59] * joachim has joined #nonprophets [12:59] lol if she's willing that would make her a servant, not a slave [12:59] She was right tho! All you want to do is sin. Apparently she forgot to mention that shes a fan of sin too ;p [12:59] Yup [13:00] You can be a willing slave...go read more BDSM sites ;) [13:00] lol if you say so [13:00] does anyone have an anwser to my question? [13:00] To be honest Vency im not a biology buff so I would have to do more research on that. [13:01] Yeah, you'd have to ask a Professor or something. Maybe you could try an academic forum. [13:01] Vency - I'm not a biologist either...but here's my understanding: [13:01] Wikipedia says, you've got the right cromosome [13:01] and to be honest i'm an atheis, so i'm not asking to rub this question in anyone's nose, i'm just qurious, cause this is bugging me [13:02] That question sounds akin to how does a female and a male of a new species come to form at the "same time" [13:02] Answer, it doesn't. Populations evolve, not individuals. [13:02] * JansonSE has joined #nonprophets [13:02] * JansonSE has left #nonprophets [13:03] ok, but there must have been a moment of time where you have 24 pairs and you child has 23 [13:03] So Matt, when does the show start? Is it really an hour like the other guy said? [13:03] you'r child cannot have 23-ish or kind of 23 [13:03] The fusion of Chromosome #2 does separate us from the other great apes - but the process didn't have to be spontaneous or necessarily prevent breeding with non-fused. HOWEVER, it's an interesting enough question that I'll ask PZ or Ken Miller for a more accurate answer [13:03] Show starts in about an hour [13:04] mond wins [13:04] * Wildflower has joined #nonprophets [13:04] Alright, cool. [13:04] hello room [13:04] hello you [13:05] ok, it would be cool if you asked someone and it would be grate if that was mentioned on the show - either the NPR or TAE cause there's no way i can miss the answer that way [13:07] I can't guarantee that PZ will get back to me before the show (unless I call him and I'd rather not do that). If it doesn't happen on the shows this weekend, I'll ask him to make a blog post...and I'll copy it to my facebook [13:08] * FalseImago_ has joined #nonprophets [13:08] * FalseImago has quit IRC (Broken pipe) [13:08] Is the stream up yet? [13:08] well it doesn't have to be on this show [13:08] and who is PZ? [13:08] PZ Myers is a biology professor [13:09] oh, cool [13:09] he runs what's probably the most frequented science blog, Pharyngular [13:09] i think i've heard him being mentioned in TAE [13:09] http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/ [13:10] * kidigus has joined #nonprophets [13:10] last month, I had a beer with PZ, he was up here in Edmonton [13:10] So quick, whos all going to The Amazing Meeting this year? [13:10] thinking about it [13:10] no show today? [13:10] Can't, I'm nowhere near there. [13:11] Thers a show, it doesn't start for another 50 minutes [13:11] And thats assuming they start on time. [13:11] Which is a large assumption ;p [13:11] ah, thanks. [13:11] the never start on time [13:11] they [13:11] They have on occasion. [13:11] gotcha. [13:11] Its just rare ;p [13:12] * konradius has joined #nonprophets [13:12] punctuality is overrated [13:12] Agreed. Ill brb [13:12] * ph-nl has joined #nonprophets [13:12] I need to send off my passport application this week so I can enter the states [13:12] I was confused as well. The site said 19:00 UTC... which is 12 minutes ago :P [13:13] newbie question: do the secondary streams listed on the website work for everyone? [13:14] never tried one [13:14] yeh. [13:15] hmm, let me guess... the only start working after the primary stream is operational? [13:15] that would be correct [13:15] yeh, matt usually asks that if you are connecting to the primary stream to allow the restreamers to connect 1st [13:16] only one stream is leaving the Matt Dilahunty International Studios [13:16] * Criggster has joined #nonprophets [13:16] just checking [13:16] I guess the show is starting a bit late today [13:17] Par for the course.. [13:19] We're scheduled to start in 42 minutes. If there's a 19:00 UTC time out there somewhere, it's wrong. We start at 2pm Central (GMT -6) [13:19] Time is an illusion. Lunch time, doubley so. [13:21] * Bluegrass has joined #nonprophets [13:21] "from 2 PM to 3:30 PM Central (19:00-20:30 UTC)" (taken from the non-prophets site) I guess the conversion to UTC was inaccurate, then? [13:21] MST is the only time zone that counts [13:21] thanks for the clarification, Non-Prophets. The 19:00 UTC comes from http://nonprophetsradio.com/, the time for US Central is correct, though [13:23] It may have been correct at one time...depending on daylight savings time changes [13:25] UTC is the only one that counts. Both literraly and methaphorically. :P [13:25] Nah, I don't think so, since UTC isn't affected by daylight saving time, AFAIK. [13:25] Hmm, perhaps. UTC is static though. [13:25] given daylight savings time, what the heck time will it be playing Eastern? [13:26] 3-4:30? [13:26] we had to change our daylight savings time because America changed their's just to pretend to save some energy [13:26] we had to change the sun [13:26] to accomodate america [13:26] we're that important [13:26] it's winter, so no daylight saving time atm.. at least for the nothern hemisphere [13:27] could you move it a bit more north, please [13:27] Yeah but the time change is tomorrow [13:27] * Janson has joined #nonprophets [13:27] ah [13:27] I just understand it to mean that one day out of the year I can sleep for an extra hour [13:28] and one time a year, you get one hour less for sleep [13:28] And one day you get to sleep one less hour [13:28] Hello everyone! Newcomer here... First time live listener as well. How are you all doing? :) [13:28] welcome [13:28] Thank you. [13:28] where are you? [13:28] doing very well [13:28] * Zarlan is also first time live listener [13:29] In my living room, why? [13:29] kidding [13:29] Sweden [13:29] rrrg [13:29] I forget how to do that [13:29] I used to use mIRC for a webcomic(BobandGeorge) but that was years ago [13:29] http://gizmoi.dyndns.org:8000/stream.ogg [13:29] first live one for me too (in Norway) [13:29] If you need another soruce to listen to it on [13:29] Kentucky [13:29] ...USA [13:29] cool [13:29] Sweden? Then that one more thing we have in common (I'm in Stockholm) [13:30] i'm a first timer 2 [13:30] scandinavian virgins! [13:30] there is a Stockholm, Saskatchewan [13:30] this is my third time, I feel so old [13:30] I lost count [13:31] ooo I'm from Stockholm, but I'm studying in Lund now. Haha I guess even though atheism is default in scandinavia, there are those of us who enjoy the odd god bashing show ^^ [13:31] hehe yeah [13:31] hehe :) [13:31] we are still wacky religious here but not as bad as America [13:31] I need to look into this "scan-din-a-via" [13:31] if atheism is the norm :-O [13:32] today marks 6 months without Jehovah Witness visitors [13:32] nah I'm heard of you guys, but living in the southeast US I've come to assume that the world is a series of Christian fundies :-| [13:32] we (bulgaria) are a religious country as well, but not as much and the usa [13:33] it's more of a custom here [13:33] like we just try to do what our fathers did and stuff like that [13:33] Swedish religion: we have christmas and people get married, but if a politician mentions god he's laughed out of the room. [13:34] why isn't my country that rational? [13:34] sort of the same here :) [13:34] my atheist family does Christmas [13:34] Phil Zuckerman has written a book, on Scandinavian countries, and how they fare, without religion (which I intend to get. Sounds like an interesting read) [13:34] Janson: well, we have jul, not christmas :) [13:34] * Gumba_Masta has joined #nonprophets [13:35] fair enough :) [13:35] Ahoya [13:35] howdy [13:35] Hi! [13:35] aboot time you showed up, eh [13:36] I was held up by Santa Clause. [13:36] it's still acceptable here to refer to the country as a "christian nation" as an elected official [13:36] i think the reason america hasn't yet got rid of religion is the poor education [13:36] * Kaffi has joined #nonprophets [13:36] think there might be a correlation eh [13:37] * tristan has joined #nonprophets [13:37] and i even don't know why your education is so poor [13:37] it makes no sence [13:37] That isn't neccesarily the only reason, but yeah... [13:37] yeah, but the most important one [13:37] Not the only reason, but a big reason [13:37] * edjski has joined #nonprophets [13:37] low taxes and a big military [13:38] * tristan has quit IRC (tristan) [13:38] It's either because of comics, TV or video games depending on which conservative pundit you ask. [13:38] I agree. Poor education is probably the biggest reason [13:38] haha Gumba :) [13:38] Doh, I like comics, TV and video games [13:38] Im doomed. [13:38] here we skip classes all the time [13:39] And Child Psychologists say it's the lack of wood toys [13:39] probably i attended like 80% of the classes in highschool [13:39] I would say it's the lack of time off from Jebus [13:39] and yet we are more educated [13:39] Maybe the classes where better? [13:40] i don't know [13:40] Maybe the pot was worse. [13:40] i've been in 3 american classes [13:40] well, when you sleep through all of high school biology it becomes easier to accept the Ontological Argument as true :-\ [13:40] and do understand 3 periods [13:40] * TedInSaltLake has joined #nonprophets [13:40] i had a friend how took me to school with him one day [13:40] and i don't think you guys don't study the same things [13:41] really [13:41] it's just [13:41] I learned what I know from computer games and McGyver [13:41] what classes did you attend? [13:41] i dont know really [13:41] as far as you know [13:41] * apparition has joined #nonprophets [13:41] here it's really hard to get a job without education [13:41] and maybe that's why we try and study that hard [13:41] Like how to prevent nuclear meltdowns. [13:41] Quick McGyver, turn this bible into roll of toilet paper, I need to take a crap. [13:42] although you do fall behind in covered material in classes [13:42] * Edward has joined #nonprophets [13:42] that's easy, Janson - it's such a tome, it's like having five rolls compressed into one [13:42] But there's enough of that inside the bible without you contributing to it. [13:42] Ahh [13:43] well, I'm an art major [13:43] a cartoonist [13:43] Awesome! [13:43] in highschool or university? [13:43] you can educate me as much as you want, I'll still be a cartoonist :-p [13:43] How many people expected Major O'Neil to fix a Stargate with a swiss army knive? [13:43] college [13:43] University of Kentucky [13:43] well it's all about highschool [13:43] it was a miracle, Gumba [13:43] cause everyone attends that one [13:43] yeah [13:44] high school here is either wonderful or wholly holey [13:44] and that's where you are supposed to get an understanding of reality [13:45] * Toddahhhh has joined #nonprophets [13:45] what high school needs more of is Logic and Writing classes [13:45] if you can write and reason you can do almost any job [13:45] if you come here in bulgaria and say in highschool that a god created the earth and stuff like that you're gonna get laughed at by 14 yo kids [13:45] * wxproof has joined #nonprophets [13:45] * omnikinesis has joined #nonprophets [13:45] I need to visit Bulgaria [13:45] well come down here [13:45] forgive my ignorance, I always pictured it as Russia Lite. :-( [13:45] you'll be more than welcome :) [13:46] for shame, I know [13:46] and i understand why [13:46] that's the impression you get from pop culture, especially here [13:46] we had much in common with russia [13:46] honestly i don't like bulgaria [13:46] Russia Lite..sounds like a Vodka brand [13:47] Something dawned on me today as I was watching a swedish god debate. American atheists are so much better at arguing their position! My guess is that a swedish atheist (i.e. normal swedish person) is kinda caught off guard when someone starts ranting about god. We never got any practice hehe. [13:47] here nobody cares about anyone [13:47] Russia Lite - Clearly less state, clearly more oppression. [13:47] the broad shouldered, eastern-european guy with a harpoon and parka that has one eyebrow and a baritone voice. That's the impression you get about Bulgarians from TV in the US [13:47] Janson: On the bright side though, we do have less such debates. [13:48] And once again we dodged the rapture bullet for another two weeks. [13:48] :D [13:48] i guess so [13:48] You forgot to mention the eyepatch, Bluegrass [13:48] lol [13:48] God sure is letting the tension build [13:48] * Sabina has joined #nonprophets [13:48] I am happy to learn it to be an incorrect notion [13:48] as for Janson [13:48] but we're trying to get rid of that picture [13:48] I'm kinda sad about that [13:49] I think it's because it's the default(?) position there? [13:49] wxproof, so many people are looking forward to Rapture now, imagine in 2000 more years! [13:49] if any of my nutty mormon relatives butt in on the conversation, apologies in advance... [13:49] Yeah [13:49] Now I never know which person is the foreign agent [13:49] much like Christianity is here [13:49] * JennInSaltLake has joined #nonprophets [13:49] everyone professes it, nobody actually knows a damned thing about it [13:49] Hey there, Ted, and Canadian hoser [13:49] Gumba: let's drop the Big One, pulverize 'em [13:50] * Annika has joined #nonprophets [13:50] How could people be looking forward towards the rapture 2000 years from now? We all know it's going to happen anyday now. [13:50] another one from Salt Lake??? [13:50] no Randy Newmanians? [13:50] The non-rapture bubble continues to grow... [13:50] Rapture 2.0, sign up today for your free divine decoder ring [13:50] rapture, a world free of religious nuts [13:50] * Radula has joined #nonprophets [13:50] :D [13:51] and an AOL trial disk [13:51] drink more Ovaltine [13:51] Did'nt we use the last big one we had to blow up a island state in the pacific that leered at us? [13:51] Savior Green is People? [13:51] you're weird. The rapture has already happend long ago. We're all already saved. Unfortunatley paradise was a little boring so God wiped our memories. [13:52] :D [13:52] Damn, really? So THAT'S where I left my keys... [13:52] Hello Jen & Ted from SLC [13:52] Hey, now. Salt Lake is steaming with atheists. [13:52] yeah go back and get your keys [13:52] Hi, Sabina! [13:52] The final five survived the rapture, they first created the Cylon skinjobs [13:52] praise Xenu, Wildflower [13:52] You cook them? [13:52] Ok, misc music playing... [13:52] Nice to hear that about SLC... makes the Mormon gerontocracy VERY nervous ! ;) [13:52] And I solved one of the LF hum problems....and we've eliminated one entire computer. So NP now only requires 2, instead of 3. ;) [13:53] AH [13:53] Maybe they'll ban NPR from Utah [13:53] there we go [13:53] I could probably do it all on one, but the stream wouldn't have the ability to host quite as many people [13:53] Quick spelling question, is it a Theocracy or a Theocrazy? [13:53] I hear the music [13:53] I hear music [13:53] yeah music [13:53] * CodeWeaver has joined #nonprophets [13:53] :D first live nonprophets [13:53] It's crazycracy [13:53] Gumba... the latter ! ;) [13:53] the feed from the website is O.K. [13:53] Hiyeeeeee [13:53] * CodeWeaver waves frantically [13:53] * Wildflower has quit IRC (Wildflower) [13:53] Is it on? [13:53] Well done, NP's [13:53] we has a music [13:53] ** waves back at the COde Weaver [13:53] [13:53] Moosic [13:53] Welcome, Radula [13:54] * wonders if this is how you emote [13:54] NOTE - IF YOU ARE RE-STREAMING...PLEASE post the information here. There are going to be more people here than my little stream can handle [13:54] arg [13:54] thank you JennInSaltLake [13:54] "Give said the Little Stream" ... <--- primary song for Ted and Jen [13:54] What is this re streaming he talks about? [13:54] Heaven is Non-Prophets + Dwarf Fortress. [13:54] Isn't re-streaming prohibited in the Old Testimate somewhere? [13:55] * Wildflower has joined #nonprophets [13:55] xD [13:55] only if a woman does it [13:55] :D:D:D:D [13:55] no, heaven is strippers and beer volcanoes, silly [13:55] you must take her to the center of the village, and you must pick up stones and stone her until she is dead. [13:55] Mmm.... beer volcanoes.... [13:56] and then you must drink a budweiser and proclaim that the bible is applicable in the modern era [13:56] Sheesh, why not live like Conan the Barbarian? [13:56] OK, I'm going to say what everyone is thinking: this music sucks. Even Jeff Dee's 80's music was better than this. Ah Jeff, I miss you man ;-( [13:56] it's in the book of Dimwit, Chapter 42. :-p [13:56] Did you guys here about Oklahoma trying to outlaw RD? [13:56] did someone say 80s music? [13:56] hear+ [13:57] <3 80s music [13:57] it's such a pretty sthong [13:57] The Old Testament takes all the fun out of getting stoned [13:57] play some AC/DC [13:57] http://gizmoi.dyndns.org:8000/stream.ogg if you need another source. [13:57] Wildflower: RD? [13:57] Yes, Wildflower, I heard about that. Cheeky bastards in OK. [13:57] Richard Dawkins [13:57] just another reason to have a man-crush on Jeff Dee :-| [13:57] There's already a video clip of Dawkins mentioning the Oklahoma bill at the actual Oklahoma lecture. [13:57] It's quite funny. [13:57] The Old Testament takes the fun out of a lot of things, Sabina. [13:57] Stoned, being one of them, yes [13:57] Wildflower: Yeah. [13:57] * Scott has joined #nonprophets [13:58] That's what the OT is there for. [13:58] Sounds hilarious [13:58] Taking fun out of things [13:58] Or any religion for that matter [13:58] * Scott is now known as SuppressioFalsi [13:58] the Old Testament takes the fun out of living under a draconian system of religious law :-( [13:58] what exactly does "outlaw" mean? [13:58] Wow it's nice to be able to use the chat for once! [13:58] outlaw Dawkins? [13:58] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTmYfFye7Hg [13:59] ...uh... to ban him [13:59] I'm at home right now, but at school, IRC is blocked! [13:59] * phil8662 has joined #nonprophets [13:59] Oklahoma is just pissed they wheren't around for the Revolutionary Way, this is their way of satisfying their penile inferority complex [13:59] to make him unable to come into the state [13:59] Check out the youtube clip. [13:59] from oclahoma? [13:59] * Liei has joined #nonprophets [13:59] Dawkins discusses the Oklahoma bill. [13:59] well, to make it against the rules to have him speak at least [13:59] Anyone else just get an image of Dwakins wearing a bandana over his face and a cowboy hat waving around some revolvers? [13:59] Dawkins* [13:59] i see [13:59] that would be awesome [13:59] he'd stick up the state board with two bananas [13:59] I think the all the gold and crap at the Vatican is offensive, I'm going to lobby the Illinois legislators to ban the pope. [13:59] who wants to go to Okla anyway? ;) [13:59] I'm listening to old Atheist Experience episodes till the show starts [14:00] Only two thinigs come from Oklahoma, steers, and steers that like other steers [14:00] yeah, it's full of dust and heat and second-rate college football teams [14:00] * CodeWeaver has quit IRC (CodeWeaver) [14:00] Gumba_Masta: Which one? [14:00] * CodeWeaver has joined #nonprophets [14:00] so is anyone else here from CT [14:01] All of them. [14:01] Sometimes I wish... [14:01] Pahahahahha. They have a good debate team-cut 'em some slack. They also have the fact that they are terrorist targets going for them. [14:01] Waiting on Denis (hahahaha), then we'll start [14:01] lol @ Denis [14:01] come on Denis! [14:01] let Max do the intro! [14:01] waiting on Dennis like he hasn't shown up or waiting like he's revising the into? [14:01] intro* [14:01] If God raptured him then you're just wasting your time [14:02] Darn, what's that restream again? I'm getting cutouts. [14:02]