Session Start: Sat Oct 10 14:02:50 2009 Session Ident: #nonprophets [14:02] * Now talking in #nonprophets [14:02] * Topic is 'The Non-Prophets are LIVE at http://www.nonprophetsradio.com. Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for show information.' [14:02] * Set by Non-Prophets on Sat Sep 05 14:05:33 [14:02] memes are like mind viruses. for some, they come and go. for weak souls, they carve out and replace the brain. [14:02] Coolness [14:02] * ChanServ sets mode: +qo Non-Prophets Non-Prophets [14:02] Hey Matt. [14:03] I was going to the show with just me and our guest....but Denis just showed up. [14:03] yes but random bits of knowledge do exactly the same thing [14:03] Guest? [14:04] People can just show up and join the show? I'm in! [14:04] Bahahaha [14:04] =) [14:05] * DorisES has joined #nonprophets [14:05] Uhm, do you know the location of the D.I.S, CodeWeaver? [14:06] Um, no. I was kidding. [14:06] Although if I were in the area and invited, I'd bring cookies. [14:06] Aw. I was hoping you would show up, say hi into the mic and then leave again. [14:06] I'd find that extremely hilarious. [14:06] That would be highly funny. [14:06] Then again, I have a weird sense of humor. [14:06] I don't know, that would be funny. [14:07] I agree. [14:07] The streams is up, they're not on yet are they? [14:07] I hear nothing. [14:07] You might not hear anything, but there's something. [14:07] My spectrogram shows it. [14:07] Ah, there we are [14:07] Oh, and there's breathing. [14:08] breathing [14:08] How sexy. [14:08] And a Denis saying 'hm'. [14:08] Denis needs to be plugged in the mains. [14:08] lol [14:08] well at least a chuckel [14:08] Got the heavy breathing. [14:08] Dude, that's not heavy breathing. [14:08] we know the music [14:08] its spoiled the suprise [14:09] there's some sounds of discomfort, and something about a "plug" [14:09] Also, Brian owns as always. [14:09] Aw, I can't connect [14:09] *pouts* [14:09] * CodeWeaver goes to kick his firewall [14:09] CodeWeaver: use number two. [14:09] Good levels. [14:09] Okay, trying [14:09] Oh good! [14:09] Excellent, thanks debdrup. [14:09] We may have some problems with the phone. [14:09] But I'll get it to work [14:09] Non-Prophets: check your pms. [14:10] Percussive maintenance? [14:10] or pm's, because pms sounds wrong. [14:10] Lalallalalala. [14:10] Private messages, bah. [14:10] The apostrophe would be wrong [14:10] I can't decide who is less qualified for the award; Bill Maher for the Dawkins award or Barack Obama for the Nobel Peace Prize [14:10] lol [14:10] That's a tough one [14:10] id have to say bill [14:10] It's a tough one praise [14:10] I have to go with Bill Maher. [14:11] Yeah, probably Bill [14:11] Shilling: Yes. I'm aware. I'm a grammar nazi and a semantic-freak, but abbreviating private messages in plural is just wrong. [14:11] Obama got the prize simply for not being George W. [14:11] I'm not sure I know enough about the peace prize [14:11] Obama all the way. Maher at least accomplished something. Nothing very significant, but something [14:11] * Non-Prophets sets mode: +o ChristOnIce [14:11] What did he accomplish? [14:11] Maher is pretty much anti-vaccination. That is something against the advancement of science. [14:11] * Non-Prophets sets mode: +o CodeWeaver [14:11] * Non-Prophets sets mode: +o Microbiologychick [14:11] Wait, what? [14:11] * CodeWeaver blinks. [14:11] As mond points out, Obama isn't W. Bush. That's quite a feat in itself. [14:12] I seem to have this +o attached to myself. [14:12] Not enough to give him the NPP for, though [14:12] I don't think not being an idiot is much of an accomplishment. [14:12] Yes. Shake it off, it'll suck your brains out. [14:12] Despite his poor stances on science and atheism, Maher has added to the popularity of secularism to a degree. Obama has done nothing to increase peace [14:12] * CodeWeaver shakes up and down like a homoepathic remedy process. [14:12] Obama got his peace prize for having good intentions, and for inspiring hope. [14:12] If it is, then I deserve the award, FSM-dammit. [14:12] Added to the stupid, intellectually dishonest side of secularism. [14:13] Most certainly. [14:13] I don't really like him or his fans. However, he is easier to defend for an award than Obama. [14:13] Hm, better go make icecream. Can't break tradition. [14:14] I've had icecream for each show, the past five times. It's a good tradition. [14:14] Cool [14:14] I wish I had ice cream. I have truffles, though. [14:14] Bryan Steeksma? [14:14] I think Obama is, though, handling the whole thing rather well. It's politically bad for him, but his balance of embarrassment and exploitation is appropriate [14:14] Ha! Shows on! I knew my faith paid of [14:14] lol [14:15] PZ right? [14:15] again? [14:15] * Non-Prophets sets mode: +o debdrup [14:15] Yay! Bryan Steeksma ftw. [14:15] * Non-Prophets sets mode: -o CodeWeaver [14:15] * dkeenaghan has quit IRC (Broken pipe) [14:15] Ah, there we go. I've been (probably quite properly) demoted. :) [14:16] * poppy has quit IRC (poppy) [14:16] Nonprophelogians? Sounds like an extraterrestrial race. [14:16] Awesome. [14:16] Ha!!! [14:16] I got it! [14:16] Yeah! PZ! [14:16] PZ! :) [14:17] * FalseImago has joined #nonprophets [14:17] I think the peace prize in a bit of strange one. The leader of country who is currently at war. Sounds a bit Newspeak to me. War is peace and all that. [14:17] Ahahah [14:17] He took a pic with Mr. Deity. [14:17] Huh, now the secondary stream is failing me. [14:17] * dkeenaghan has joined #nonprophets [14:17] Didn't look too fantastic, but he was in the same pic. [14:18] I suppose, when you really look at it, it's an apples and oranges argument comparing Maher/RDA and Obama/NPP [14:18] * BathTub has joined #nonprophets [14:18] They awarded the NPP for dynamite. I don't think it's exactly about peace. [14:18] *nods* [14:18] Not really, raindog. Both are awards allegedly based on merit given to people based on popularity. [14:18] * Joseph has joined #nonprophets [14:19] I wouldn't call Bill Maher a skeptic. [14:19] * Phoesune has joined #nonprophets [14:19] Curious... I wonder if my network is having troubles. [14:19] scepticoid [14:19] I seem to be getting at least the basic IRC traffic. [14:19] There was no Nobel prize for dynamite, let alone the Peace Prize [14:20] Hey, someone want to try to send me a private message? sean 14916 perhaps? [14:20] * Joseph has quit IRC (Joseph) [14:21] Nobel thought dynamite, would end conflict because it was so powerful that noone would use it. Sot of the the original MAD. [14:21] * Joachim_A has joined #nonprophets [14:21] Sorry, inventor of dynamite, my bad. [14:22] Err, poo. I missed the name of the guest. Now I have to guess.. [14:22] Too bad his idea of that was not only off, but way off [14:22] Its god, he finally showed up. [14:23] Has everyone seen Ray Comfort's NEW Origin of Species, NOT the one everyone was looking at a month ago, this is his 2nd edition, it's been substantially rewritten. [14:23] http://assets.livingwaters.com/pdf/OriginofSpecies.pdf [14:23] Huh, there we go, connected and listening! YAY! [14:23] It does sound like PZ Myers. [14:23] * ughable has joined #nonprophets [14:23] No, we won't flay anyone alive. We'll send a mindflayer after them. [14:23] bathtub: Are they going to put that in the book they're giving out in November? [14:23] yes [14:24] this is the 175,000 print run [14:24] Are both going otu? [14:24] *out? [14:24] Any idea? [14:24] the previous version was the 30,000 print run [14:24] which is sold out [14:24] they are in the wild so to speak [14:24] Who buys these damn things? [14:24] 'the faithful' [14:25] * gmp has joined #nonprophets [14:25] or 'Ray's psychophantic followers' [14:25] us [14:25] Especially the,/ [14:25] for the lols [14:25] The -real- question is: Will it be sexy skeletons in the closet? [14:26] But it *looks* like an overall endorsement [14:26] the intro has been rewritten, it's a lot "better", he must have got a new editor [14:26] I just got here, are we talking about the On the Origin of Species Comfort is giving out? [14:26] still full of crap, but better written [14:26] lol [14:27] * Thomas_Bolanos is now known as ThomasBolanos [14:27] ughable yes, Ray released his 2nd Edition online this week. This is not the same one that everyone saw a month ago [14:27] Amen, Matt. [14:27] http://assets.livingwaters.com/pdf/OriginofSpecies.pdf [14:27] Oh, don't say that! [14:27] I haven't read the first one yet. I have it saved. I can't wait to read through it and have a good laugh. [14:27] lol [14:27] I have to spit every time I read that word. [14:27] This solipsistic behaviour towards opinions isn't good for anything. [14:28] it's not as childish [14:28] * Phoesune has quit IRC (ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824085414]) [14:28] So it's a more sophisticated way of calling evolution nazism? [14:28] Is there a sophisticated way of calling anything nazism? [14:28] Solipsism? [14:28] Ray on his own is really childish, for example in the original book his example of random text is 'xduh itsk stupidg' kind of thing [14:29] Anything you don't like, call it Nazism, Socialist, or plain Fascism without even checking if you are right. That is what quite a few people like to do. [14:29] My imaginary statiistics prove I am correct. So shut up. [14:29] Ahaha [14:29] WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!! [14:29] ..eventually. [14:30] AHH!!! [14:30] Then agian, I would like to live forever. [14:30] Would be nice, yes. [14:30] oh and he's added a bunch of respsonses he's got to the idea, and ends the book witha freedom of speech quote [14:30] At least live until the big freeze [14:30] I plan to live forever. Mind you I did plan to cut the grass today but that didn't happen either. [14:30] "forever", actually - since it'd only be to the end of time, whenever that is. [14:30] I wouldn't like to live forever. [14:31] No, that's for sure - he doesn't think very much. [14:31] I like all the ~fairness~ and ~both sides~ quotes at the beginning [14:31] Sounds fox news to me! [14:31] and one side is 150 years of Biology, and the other is goddidit-don't-ask-me-to-prove-it [14:31] * sleepy314 has joined #nonprophets [14:32] ughable yeah Ray and the Tony the Lawman love that Darwin quote [14:32] Fuddiduddies. Awesome term. [14:33] Is fuddy duddy a technical term? [14:33] Old fogies is my preferred term. [14:34] I hope my Atheist group survives after i graduate. [14:34] I want a newly discovered species to be named Fuddy duddy some day. [14:34] Texas isn't in serious disrepair, it's broken. [14:35] I want an atheist group at my college [14:35] make one~ [14:35] Raindog: Start one. [14:35] Atheist student groups evolve from nothing. [14:36] I am trying to start one. I am trying to link mine with the SAFE (Students Advocating for Equality) club at my college. [14:36] I love living in a country with ~70% agnostics/atheists. [14:36] Anyone here at NYU? [14:36] Wait, what country is that?! [14:36] Denmark. [14:37] Hm. Any gun control there? [14:37] *Jealous....* [14:37] I wonder if my LAN group is still running at my old Uni [14:37] raindog: people are barely allowed to carry knives. [14:37] Have to have a work-permit for it, and be able to document that it's for use only. [14:37] And no knives which can be locked into place with the blade extended. [14:37] you have to promise to use it? [14:37] I couldn't deal with that. [14:38] Why not? [14:38] I'm a minority of a minority, an armed athiest! Also known as: boogeyman, beelzebub, most unclean, etc.. [14:38] I don't think you need to carry a knife if you live in denmark. [14:39] Here you'd be a majority. [14:39] Things don't need to be cut? [14:39] Dimmy: worlds happiest country, according to a study done. [14:39] Cool. [14:39] Atheists?! WITH GUNS?! Today, on the 700 club. [14:39] Ahahahahah [14:39] I live in Norway. [14:40] Has Denmark gotten rid of its Islam problem? [14:40] That'd cancel each other out. Pat would be happy with the gun-toting, he'd just hate the god-hating. [14:40] Which Islam problem? [14:40] The Danish press being protested by Extremist Muslims over some stupid cartoons. [14:40] Can't hate what doesn't exist. [14:40] The fact that some zealots went crazy over a couple of drawings? Most Danes have forgotten it. [14:40] Yes, already forgotten. [14:40] * Das has joined #nonprophets [14:40] Perfect! [14:41] Anybody here Dutch? [14:41] I know dutch people. [14:41] It's possible. My ancestors fucked everyone. [14:41] lol [14:42] I once ate some Edam [14:42] no but I know someone of fresian descent, does that count? [14:42] Was it satisfactory? [14:42] How is the Dutch government doing on the same kind of problem? [14:42] * djsomera has joined #nonprophets [14:42] Which same kind of problem? [14:43] * djsomera has quit IRC (djsomera) [14:43] The extremist Muslims demanding rights that aren't deserved. [14:43] Like what kind of rights? Rights to end the lives of infidels? [14:43] Lineage is kind of hard to pinpoint for some people in the US with all the kid dumping and swapping going on in the Depression [14:43] That and Sharia law. [14:43] I don't know, to be honest. I don't think they approve of it, as it'd go against the Geneva-convention. [14:44] I disagree with Dennis. When you're trying to prove evolution to a creationist, they want you to prove creation-volution, which is completely different than scientific evoltuoin. [14:44] an example of wrong ideas, Ray talks about 'wing nubs' in the new intro [14:44] You just tell them, they don't have a right to infringe on the rights of others. Unless they need some holes in them. [14:45] Was it Wendy Wright? [14:45] One day, they'll all be deists, and we'll be arguing about the beginning of the universe exclusively. [14:46] raindog's got it [14:46] I won't. [14:46] I don't discuss with idiots. [14:46] * IceGuest_7 has joined #nonprophets [14:46] Pure bloody minded ignorance <----incurable. [14:46] My gosh was it hard to swallow. Wendy, for a moment, was understanding evolution and then returned to, "No Goddoneit!" [14:46] * IceGuest_7 is now known as Moloch_Jr [14:46] somebody got a link? [14:46] i'm a lurker [14:46] yes you are [14:47] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US8f1w1cYvs [14:47] Wendy Wright and Dawkins interview. [14:47] I loved that one [14:47] thanks [14:48] I googled Wendy Wright, not knowing who she was and.. whew.. doesn't look good. [14:48] No problem. [14:49] Yeah, I am concerned very much. [14:49] oh, oh! [14:49] wait... Dawkins was on Bill O'Reilly? [14:49] You guys are going to love this. [14:49] Shit, he was?! [14:49] Yes. O'Reilly is a dumbass. [14:49] Ahahah! [14:49] i didnt know he did another interview [14:49] Not that. [14:49] I've gotta see this after npr [14:49] I found someone who believes what David Icke says. [14:49] I find that so hilarious. [14:50] hahahaha [14:50] O'Reilly is Maher's antithesis, and yet he isn't. Both jackasses in their own opposite ways. [14:50] It was pretty bad. O'Reilly did the same thing as last time. [14:50] ughable: check PZs blog. [14:50] http://richarddawkins.net/article,4432,n,n [14:51] * NeutronJack has joined #nonprophets [14:51] You want to know something that will entertain you sooooo much if you ever dare to flip over to Fox News and see Glenn Beck? [14:51] You just look at that man [14:51] with his idiotic face [14:51] and his stupid haircut [14:51] and remember [14:51] He's wearing magic underwear under that suit [14:52] I didn't know that. [14:52] ray comfort was very civil in his conversation with thunderf00t [14:52] I have family that takes him seriously. It disturbs me. [14:53] I'm glad my dad doesn't have cable or he'd be a Glenn Beck fan [14:53] raindog: watch out for the stupid. It might infect you. [14:53] I saw his book in a store, he was wearing some strange nazi-looking getup. It almost suited him. [14:54] * Roland has joined #nonprophets [14:55] * Apple_Pie has joined #nonprophets [14:55] * elektronisk has joined #nonprophets [14:55] Hey, us godless Scandinavians are awesome. [14:55] sup doods [14:55] Yay us. [14:55] Yay us. [14:55] David Icke is... *facepalm* [14:57] Well, you don't tell the emperor that he's not wearing any clothes. [14:57] * torgospizza has joined #nonprophets [14:57] "They are not laughing with you, They are laughing AT you." [14:57] Right, you tell him he doesn't deserve his fucking position of power. [14:57] you have to relax the sphincter of the mind. [14:58] Good going PZ. lol [14:58] I have two brothers in jail, and MAN they are religious. [14:58] Wowsers. [14:58] * cstyle has joined #nonprophets [14:58] Anger is wrong [14:58] Incarceration does that to you. [14:58] Ray revels in the anger [14:59] aren't like, 10% of americans in prison? [14:59] he gets to parade around saying 'look at the angry athiest' [14:59] think its more, considering the transit people going in and out :P [14:59] glenn beck is great [14:59] BathTub: Nigel, that you? [14:59] lol hello erik [14:59] provides daily priceless entertainment [15:00] :) howdy [15:00] Can it be said that what the creationists are doing is an evolution of what they've always been doing? :P [15:00] Sigh. It's almost too bad when people die they don't find out how fucking wrong they are. [15:00] turns out Comfort's goons are coming to UCSD down here with their Origin into Schools. Going to see if I can snag a copy [15:00] We wanna laugh and point at it. [15:00] How many creationists are going to read through Origin? [15:00] http://www.secularstudents.org/originintoschools [15:00] So... has anyone had any luck convincing a friend or relative that Capital Punishment isn't good? [15:01] And what if they change their minds after reading it? What if it backfired? Ahaha [15:01] raindog: they won't. they'll read their introduction, pat themselves on the back saying how right they are, and then put it away [15:01] raindog Tony 'The Lawman' is currently trying to read through it [15:01] that's one of Ray's lackys [15:01] http://thelawmanchronicles.blogspot.com/2009/09/darwin-day-1.html [15:02] nice [15:02] this oughta be interesting [15:02] Man, that guy has a fucking stupid moustache. [15:02] New version of Ray's Origin, NOT the one everyone saw a month ago http://assets.livingwaters.com/pdf/OriginofSpecies.pdf [15:02] Tony is a complete asshole [15:03] Goes without saying, once you see the stache [15:03] I wonder if their edition will have the whole "absurd in the highest order" eye quote mine thing cut off at the bottom of a page, and then have a quote mine index leading to that page. [15:03] No-no-NOOOOOOOO! [15:03] 401 on the second stream. [15:04] this is the full text of Origins [15:04] They were handing out bibles at my campus recently. The augmented Origin would be an improvement [15:04] Hey, write in the margins! [15:04] Ray's previous version had 4 chapters deleted [15:04] I got the second stream dropping out for me about every 3 minutes or so. I can suffer. [15:04] * FalseImago has quit IRC [15:04] it's not a matter of editing lines of text, it was just whole chapters [15:05] My stream's been steady all day. Normally jumps out. Cool. [15:05] http://66.228.123.40:8000/ <---- stable for me [15:05] blame pz, he posted it on his blog :D [15:05] I think i'm using the primary stream, btw [15:05] oh wtf [15:05] That one isn't stable for me, mond.... but it's livable. [15:05] he should have just waited till the show is over and linked to the podcast [15:05] dkeenaghan: ooh, that'll bring it down. [15:05] The primary was giving me gip. [15:05] Yah, we've been pharyngulated. [15:05] :D [15:06] Yeah I'm on the primary and it does get a little funny [15:06] ARRRRRRGH PZ, what an asshat [15:06] http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/10/now_appearing_on_the_non-proph.php [15:07] I wish I could grow a beard like Myers [15:07] lol [15:07] I wish I could grow a beard like Randi [15:07] Like Darwin! [15:08] fuck that, I want a Wizard beard [15:08] Dumbledore! ahahah [15:08] Dumbledore must have been an atheist. The beard gives him away. [15:09] Dumbledore was "Spiritual" [15:09] faitheist faitheist faitheist [15:09] * ughable puts thumb on nose and wiggles fingers [15:09] Hey, let us have our fancies with fictional characters [15:10] Not that we would *want* to make another nasty rag like the shroud of turin [15:10] are they having Atheist Experience tomorrow? [15:10] He is not the athiest pope...he's a very naughty boy. [15:10] To paraphrase Zaphod Beeblebrox: Dawkins is just this guy, you know. He's a real hoopy frood. [15:10] * darvolutionproponentsist has joined #nonprophets [15:10] You're a hoopy frood [15:11] * cstyle has quit IRC (cstyle) [15:11] Ahahah [15:11] We're all hoopy froods. [15:11] Yes, there is an atheist Experience tomorrow. [15:11] sweeeet [15:11] There will be a new couch, too. [15:11] MBC do you know who the guest host is? [15:11] An entire weekend of atheism? I don't think I can do it! [15:11] :D [15:11] WOO NEW COUCH, YAY! [15:11] Tell Matt to send me his old couch [15:11] Matt needs a new map, too [15:11] My couch is awful [15:12] Jeff Dee [15:12] omg... [15:12] jeff is back?? !! [15:13] With laser beam eyes [15:13] Has Jeff been on the Guerilla AE yet? [15:13] I think he did game theory on it didn't he? [15:13] Several times. [15:13] Well, he's the perfect guest host to break in the new couch [15:14] break in new couch? are you thinking about tom cruise? [15:14] Marriage<---not the property of religions. It aint legal if the state doesn't recognise it. [15:14] Soylent Green is people! [15:15] lol sleepy [15:15] marriage is a contract among 3 parties, one of which is the state [15:15] I want freedom FROM religion. [15:15] But all Christians do that. [15:16] * torgospizza has quit IRC (Broken pipe) [15:17] Someone else being immoral does not mitgate my immorality. [15:17] Wow!! [15:17] This whiskey is COLD. [15:17] according to wikipedia, McCaskill is roman catholic [15:17] Set it on fire, then. [15:17] I miss the heavy profanity we used to have from the show. lol [15:18] Uh oh, debdrup is drinking again. [15:18] Heavy profanity should be an obligation [15:18] Microbiologychick: uh oh indeed. [15:18] http://www.blatunga.se/whiskeyontherocks.html - rocks for whiskey on the rocks [15:19] I'm with Penn and Teller when it comes to alcohol [15:19] how long will the show last? [15:19] so you can drink whiskey without diluding it. [15:19] Randi too [15:19] raindog: and their position is? [15:19] What are P&T's views? [15:19] McCaskill is a good catholic - she divorced and remarried [15:19] The mormons are the scientologists of christianity. lol [15:19] pretty sure penn doesn't drink [15:20] pssst... wanna buy a bridge ?? [15:20]