Session Start: Sat Jul 18 12:23:16 2009 Session Ident: #nonprophets [12:23] * Now talking in #nonprophets [12:23] * Topic is 'Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information!' [12:23] * Set by Non-Prophets on Sat May 02 14:54:15 [12:23] Matt, is that you? [12:23] Non-Prophets: bringer of good news? [12:23] I do not accept your personal assertions as evidence, true. [12:23] w00t [12:23] The evidence you offer does not follow from either logic or science, except a few snippets about the finiteness of the universe. [12:24] For the rest of it, you have to justify your evidence. I do not accept, without rational discussion, the idea that the Gospels constitute any evidence whatsoever about supernatural claims. [12:24] That's because you are stupid Weaver [12:24] and a fucking douchebag [12:24] why [12:24] if time as we know it started once, there's no need for neither infinity or a first cause [12:24] Stupid motherfucker [12:24] FUCK YOU [12:24] <--Matt [12:24] berger must only speak in irony [12:24] Again with the ad hominems. [12:24] Matt! [12:24] MATT IS A FAT PIECE OF SHT [12:25] because his standerds for evidence are diffrent? [12:25] LOSE WEIGHT YOU FAT ASS [12:25] Greetings from Canada again. [12:25] lol [12:25] canada is teh best! [12:25] finally some good points, Berger [12:25] Matt, is it true that the last time you've seen your cock was as a reflection in Russell's forehead? [12:25] even sound advice [12:26] hasn't that joke been used before. like, alot? [12:26] especialy on the tv [12:26] Definitely not an original troll. [12:26] it's hard htinking up new things [12:26] give him some slack [12:26] Matt is a 40 year old virgin [12:26] Probably uses dildos in the shower [12:27] Using a different channel today --- #nonprophetsradio [12:27] matt's not 40! [12:27] Non-Prophets: show tonight, right? [12:27] yeah is it not on right now? [12:27] Yes, NP show in about 90 minutes [12:27] And yes, I'm 40 [12:27] great [12:27] Matt, FUCK YOU FATASS [12:27] LOSE WEIGHT [12:27] 50 % complete, congratulations :) [12:27] Yawn [12:27] what was the reason for the hiatus? [12:28] MATT, IF YOU ARE SO SMART, WHY ARE YOU SO FAT? [12:28] MATT IS A FAT PIG [12:28] becasue matt likes food [12:28] Oh, how nice. [12:28] Trolls. [12:28] i like food [12:28] ... [12:28] I'm going to hunt me some ircop. [12:28] this isn't even trolling [12:29] Nah, a good troll wouldn't repeat himself so quickly. [12:29] Oh noes...someone said I'm fat. Whatever shall I do [12:29] Go to the gym [12:29] that's what you can do [12:29] Matt, is it true that Tracie Harris used to be a man? [12:29] is the limit still 30 ppl? [12:29] She does look kind of mannish [12:29] Non-Prophets: cry and eat more? [12:30] Berger isn't new here, I suspect. [12:30] * Berger is now known as Matt_Dillafatty [12:30] drinking also helps [12:32] -> *chanserv* register [12:33] Using #nonprophetsradio today...instead of this channel [12:33] * Matt_Dillafatty has quit IRC (Matt_Dillafatty) [12:33] * grrrrraeme has quit IRC (grrrrraeme) [12:34] And, if everyone leaves, I'll get this one back [12:34] * joachim has left #nonprophets (Non-Prophets ) [12:34] * mond has joined #nonprophets [12:35] so, you want us all to leave? [12:35] Yes, please [12:35] how long for? [12:35] * CodeWeaver has quit IRC (CodeWeaver) [12:35] * Nitros sets mode: +o Non-Prophets [12:35] Non-Prophets: I'm talking to an oper, so it might not be nessecary. [12:35] There we go :) [12:35] Thanks [12:35] alright hten [12:35] Yay Nitros. [12:36] * ChanServ sets mode: +r [12:36] * ChanServ sets mode: +q Non-Prophets [12:36] I am gonna miss chuck. [12:36] Thanks [12:36] * joachim has joined #nonprophets [12:36] * ihedenius has joined #nonprophets [12:36] Non-Prophets: need more ops for off-times? [12:36] * CodeWeaver has joined #nonprophets [12:37] where's the theist? :) [12:37] Annnnnd I'm back. [12:37] Long gone. [12:37] i could be an op... [12:37] -> *chanserv* owner [12:37] * ChanServ sets mode: +q Non-Prophets [12:37] That guy gave theists a bad name. [12:37] good job [12:37] * Pombolo has joined #nonprophets [12:37] * sure has joined #nonprophets [12:37] I've got a few folks I'll add to the op list later. We never used to have a problem, so I didn't bother [12:37] Is there going to be a show today? [12:38] when does this show start? [12:38] 19 UTC [12:38] Magnificent, Matt. Glad you're back in the driver's seat around here. [12:38] UTC= GMT? [12:38] Show in about 80 minutes [12:38] and whiel we are waiting could you play better music? [12:38] Do they EVER update their webpage? [12:38] Non-Prophets: fair enough. Well, if you need more ops, feel free to poke me. [12:38] Streaming music now [12:38] sure: yeah, 21 norsk tid [12:38] And awesome music at that. [12:38] Totally rocking awesome music. [12:38] how u know im norwegian :P [12:38] Who's this? [12:38] King Crimson [12:38] *poke* i want op [12:38] < allknowing [12:38] sure: because it's in your hostname. [12:38] ah ok thanks [12:38] king krimson rules [12:39] *crimson [12:39] but im 12 i like better music [12:39] or whatever [12:39] Is anyone still running the re-stream stuff? [12:39] Don't know, to be honest. [12:39] Cya guys @ 21:00 CET then :) [12:39] I think we lost all of our re-streamers. :( [12:39] nope [12:39] That's unfortunate. [12:39] * sure has quit IRC (sure) [12:39] good thing the show wasn't announced on the website, then :) [12:39] I wonder what it would take to restream? I wonder if my account would die horribly if I tried.... =) [12:39] I can see about getting it re-streamed, but I won't promise anything. [12:40] CodeWeaver: probably. it's quite bandwidth intensive, and the connection needs to be burstable to handle spikes properly. [12:40] you could use my server however im no expert on shoutcast [12:40] Ok, as I don't know everyone's nick and don't know who's always around and contributing (sorry). I'm just gonna op debdrup for now (as they fixed my op) [12:40] !addop debdrup [12:40] I'm unlkely to have the consistent upload bandwidth to make it practical. * /msg: insufficient parameters [12:40] Heyyyy debrup! Congrats. :D [12:40] -> *chanserv* help [12:40] Well, there's me and me and me - but I don't know we were they.. [12:40] is there unix software for doing it without too much hassle? [12:41] Non-Prophets: don't think it can be done through public commands anymore. [12:41] Ah, and I can now hear [12:41] Or maybe it can. [12:41] * ChanServ sets mode: +o debdrup [12:41] what is this music [12:41] * debdrup readies his boot of spiked kicking, just in case it's needed. [12:41] It can't...had to msg [12:42] Any attack bonuses on that boot? [12:42] -> *chanserv* topic #nonprophets Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information! [12:42] * ChanServ changes topic to 'Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information!' [12:42] * CodeWeaver cowers at the sight of the spiked boot. [12:42] * LEA has joined #nonprophets [12:42] CodeWeaver: don't worry, it's not dangerous unless you tickle it improperly.. ;) [12:42] Oh, well, good to know. [12:43] Besides, there's a small chance I'm one of the rational ones on here. [12:43] Ok, I've got a bit of cleanup and setup to do...be good. And if Gizmo shows up, everyone should applaud [12:43] Well, I have a pretty good idea of who the regulars are. [12:43] i try to be rational but then i rember i cant spell [12:44] Hello! [12:44] hi [12:44] Gizmo was a big help to me in Vegas. Beth's flight was delayed and he drove me back to the airport to get her. [12:45] That's awesome of Gizmo. [12:45] matt i could have got you a free flight on aircanada [12:45] I've got a few other people to thank, as well...and I'll do that during the TAM7 commentary on today's show [12:45] * debdrup makes a note to applaud. [12:47] I am sure that I saw Matt and Beth dancing on the ustream coverage at the SGU wedding. Matt, can you confirm or deny that you were shaking your booty? [12:48] * Jake has joined #nonprophets [12:48] * Microbiologychick has joined #nonprophets [12:49] Speaking of.. Hi Beth! [12:50] Hi! [12:50] * Ezra has joined #nonprophets [12:50] Yes, Beth and I danced at Rebecca's wedding. Some of the Ustream coverage caught the end of our dance and a quick kiss [12:50] * Non-Prophets sets mode: +o Microbiologychick [12:50] epic [12:50] Lol, just as long as I wasn't seeing things. [12:50] Awwwwwww [12:50] * Pombolo has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) [12:51] The wedding was awesome. [12:51] The reception was better. ;) [12:51] No doubt. :D [12:51] and the wedding night [12:51] I havent' been able to find bootleg videos of the reception yet though. :D [12:51] The rented a nice house, packed it with hundreds of skeptics and there was a lot of drinking and fun [12:52] fun... I love fun [12:52] Drinking and fun usually go together. [12:52] I so have to go to the next TAM. But it's hard to imagine it topping that. [12:52] Well, the pool was 'clothing optional' so there may not be video of that [12:52] Weird, how that works. [12:52] debdrup: even for you? [12:52] :) [12:52] joachim: No. I'm just citing reliable sources. [12:52] aha [12:52] I'm crazy enough to have fun without drinking. [12:52] like james randi [12:53] james randi is all serious business [12:53] I was sick, so I didn't get drunk...but Beth got a little drunk. It was kinda cute [12:53] hehe [12:53] I was trashed. [12:53] * Helvete has joined #nonprophets [12:53] Heh [12:53] I am a little drunk..5' 5" [12:54] DRUNK WITH THE SPIRIT [12:54] JEBUSSSSSS.. [12:54] No, no thank you. [12:54] Spirit, probably not. Spirits, maybe. [12:54] Also, what the hell. I'm sitting here in my boxers and I'm sweating. [12:55] debdrup, who are you? [12:55] That's the holy spirit. [12:55] Jesus loves a man in boxers. [12:55] larry? [12:55] Randi did something I've never heard him do...he dropped an F-bomb from the stage, during a panel discussion. The place went nuts [12:55] Ezra: Me, I think. [12:55] * rux has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [12:55] which host are you? Jeff Dee? [12:55] I'm not a host. [12:55] jeff dee is badass [12:55] I'm just a cool fruid. [12:55] too bad he is never around anymore...:( [12:55] To quote Zaphod Beeblebrox, that is. [12:56] -> *debdrup* On a side note, is there any other name I'd know you by? [12:56] Non-Prophets: wow. Please tell me there's audio of that. [12:56] Probably [12:56] Non-Prophets: context? [12:56] I'll give context on the show [12:56] joachim: to hell with the context, that's a rare event if there ever was one. [12:56] Let's just say "Uri Gellar" was in the same sentence [12:56] "It's all a f'in magic trick, folks. He isn't bendin' that spoon. How many years must I go on telling you this?" [12:56] I've been watching some AE episodes on Youtube. Whatever happen to those other hosts: Ashley somebody, Charity Spires, Andi Roberts, Keryn Glasser? [12:57] It's a good day if fuck and uri gellar is in the same sentence. [12:57] charity was a guste [12:57] Uri Gellar's still around? I would have thought Sylvia Browne would be a better f-bomb target these days. [12:57] explains it [12:57] Preferably something along the line of 'Uri Gellar, the fuck". [12:57] Ashley hosted for a year or so...he's taking time off. Charity was a guest. Andi is a lawyer who doesn't live in Austin any more and Keryn got married and is focussed on other things [12:57] In Soviet Russia, spoon bends Uri Gellar. [12:57] :) [12:58] Helvete: are you done pasting stuff from a quotes.txt? [12:58] Is Charity an author or something? Why was she brought on as a special guest? What did she do? [12:58] Do what? [12:58] she read books. [12:58] What were her credentials? [12:58] Stop. [12:58] official book reader [12:58] She's just a friend of some folks on the show who had something she wanted to talk about [12:58] in soviet russia, quotes you. [12:59] I love how Wikipedia says Uri Gellar is a "Israeli-British performer of magic tricks." [12:59] I'm not the slightest bit concerned about credentials (having none, myself)....if someone has something to say, that's all I care about [12:59] :D [12:59] I've also watched some early episodes before Matt shaved his head. Back then, he didn't curse at theist callers [12:59] lol [12:59] i saw one whear jeff was hostt and martin had a mustache [13:00] it looked freeky... [13:00] Am I cursing at theists regularly now? [13:00] You went off on some guy two weeks ago [13:00] Curse those bleeping theists!, MattMan [13:00] Matt looks better without hair. [13:00] Ezra: so there's a coalation between lack of hair on Matts head and cursing at theists? [13:00] Yes, that was after the show was over... [13:00] url for the mustache, please [13:00] Microbiologychick: agreed. [13:00] its on blip :) [13:00] I forgot the guy's name [13:00] ok [13:00] I think he said that you wouldn't accept his evidence of God [13:00] or something [13:00] and you got pissed [13:00] He and I have had several conversations since then [13:00] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70J18fPzlK4&feature=PlayList&p=0A8E3AD7E002240C&index=176 [13:01] martin looks funny [13:01] Including a skype chat during the show 2 weeks ago. [13:01] He may be on again [13:01] Has Kenny been calling in lately? I'm interested in what he'll read from next [13:01] Is Kenny the shower guy? [13:02] He's the guy who reads other people's arguments and sounds like a retard [13:02] He speaks really slow [13:02] says he is from California [13:02] is he the irc troll? [13:02] always talking about calling? [13:02] Man, I really haven't been paying attention to the show lately. I have no clue who or what you're talking about. [13:02] He read William Lane Craig's cosmological argument [13:02] joachim: one of many, presumably. [13:02] Epid fail, debdrup. :D [13:02] Mispronounced half the words [13:02] Ah [13:02] there's been a guy recently [13:03] Instead of saying "infinite", he says "infininite" [13:03] CodeWeaver: and the worst part is, I'm unemployed - so I can't even use work as an excuse. [13:03] Well...I have good news (though most of you probably know this)... [13:03] Today we introduce a new Non-Prophet [13:03] I don't get how, when the show is discussing a particular argument like that, that the callers assume the hosts haven't read it. Probably too many times. [13:03] Non-Prophets: I guarentee I don't. :P [13:03] is it james randi? [13:03] Oooh, I'm all excited now. [13:03] see, now we have expectations [13:03] Phil Plait? [13:03] joachim: that'd be A.W.E.S.O.M.E [13:03] No, it's not Randi or Phil [13:03] PZ! [13:03] Weaver, Kenny is some 15 year old kid who downloads things off the web, calls the show, and just reads them off [13:03] he did recognize matt, after all [13:03] No...nobody famouse [13:03] I can do this all day. [13:03] Hitchins? [13:04] Heh. [13:04] It's Captain Disillusion [13:04] Oooo [13:04] Dawkins? [13:04] famouse? wow...that was a good typo. [13:04] I vote for Captain Disillusion. [13:04] is it Microbiologychick ? [13:04] its that girl... [13:04] Oh, oh - I know. It's Darwin. [13:04] Jen peeples [13:04] Tracie Harris [13:04] It's the intermediate fossils! [13:04] It's a girl, but not MBC or Jen or Tracie [13:04] Someone new [13:04] Oooh, exciting. [13:04] never guest starred either show? [13:04] A female voice of reason in all of the insanity. [13:04] Nope [13:05] Everything's relative, of course. [13:05] I can't remember the name....it was mentioned last NP's [13:05] That African gal who speaks out against Islam? Ayan Hirsi Ali? [13:05] Yeah, I thought I'd mentioned it [13:05] yeah.... [13:05] Kathleen [13:05] is it shilling doing a girl's voice? [13:05] That's all you get...back to setup [13:05] i could live with that [13:05] joachim: haar! [13:05] Matt's such a tease. [13:05] That'd be hilarious. [13:05] Schilling always did a girls voice.. [13:05] lame.... [13:05] joke [13:05] CodeWeaver: a good one, though. [13:05] Oh quite. [13:06] I may have a server that'll be able to do restreaming.. [13:06] Matt, you said earlier that you have no credentials. Didn't you study theology? [13:06] i couldn't get vlc installed [13:07] maybe for next week [13:07] Matt studied to enter seminary. [13:07] nopw [13:07] So, you guys know about.. Thunderfoot? [13:07] we do [13:07] Helvete: what about him? [13:07] So he's pretty credible on the Bible. [13:07] Matt did independent study, but didn't actually go to seminary. [13:07] yes [13:07] joachim: why would you want to use vlc? [13:07] The Ray Comfort thing.. [13:07] Well...fuck [13:07] :P [13:07] debdrup: the first thing i thought of [13:07] Sorry, of course that's what I meant, MBC. [13:07] Denis isn't going to be here today [13:07] Helvete: ah, that. Yeah, I'm kinda looking forward to seeing that spectacle. [13:07] but [13:07] Well, I guess there's no point listening in now. [13:07] Non-Prophets: aww. No intro then? [13:08] i need an intro [13:08] Somehow the webpage didn't list a show for today and he's busy doing other stuff. I'll write up a quick intro [13:08] have the girl do it [13:08] Anyone ever watch those open-air things that Ray Comfort does in Cali? [13:08] do fallicy from missing member [13:08] that would freak people out [13:08] joachim: Kathleen has a name, you know.. [13:08] Oh my stars.... a nonprophets without the crazy intro! [13:08] Ezra: I'd rather get kicked in the shins. [13:09] That's like a movie teaser without Don Lafontaine! It's just not right! [13:09] i'll study that for a while [13:09] might take a few weeks [13:09] Is a banana proof of God's existence? [13:09] hell ya [13:09] Only if you stick it up your ass. [13:09] it was [13:09] Else it isn't. [13:09] Wait... does that mean God is bananas? [13:09] god is love [13:09] CodeWeaver: it'd explain a lot. [13:09] What an insult to bananas.. [13:09] bananas do function as love making tools [13:10] god is not just bananas he is also tomatos. [13:10] * CodeWeaver peels and eats a God. [13:10] A banana would probably squish as soon as it touched your anus [13:10] Not that I know [13:10] * debdrup throws a god-peel in front of CodeWeaver to trip him when he walks over [13:10] keep the peel on. [13:11] Thanks for keeping the music going. My wireless headphones like to switch themselves off if there is not audio input for more than a minute. [13:11] anyone seen Knowing and want to discuss how terrible it was? [13:11] Anyone catch the slip-on-a-God episode of Mythbusters? Quite funny. [13:11] yup [13:11] episode number? [13:11] This season I think, but one of the early ones. [13:11] CodeWeaver: which season and which episode? [13:11] they should take on the "real" god, btw [13:11] like that could ever happen [13:11] joachim: the real god being boobies? [13:11] I'll try to find the episode. [13:12] they would get canceled so fast [13:12] if they ever get canceled, that should be the final show [13:12] They'd need a small army of episodes to tackle that one. There's just so many myths to debunk. [13:12] ep 117/s07e03 [13:12] Thank you, joachim, I'd JUST gotten there. :D [13:13] I want to join the Ray Comfort mustache club [13:13] April 22nd of 2009 episode.... third one of 2009. [13:13] Woo, I actually have that episode. [13:13] now to torrent it [13:13] It's hard to beat the lego ball in the next episode though. [13:13] Could someone hilight me when the show starts? I'm turning down the audio of Foobar2000 to watch the mythbusters episode. [13:14] Or the thermite vs ice episode. [13:14] Oh hell, they're all brilliant. [13:14] Yes, yes they are. [13:14] debdrup: does the ep last over 45 mins? [13:14] That's what the pause button is for. [13:14] joachim: 43.32 [13:14] then you're good :) [13:15] debrup, I have a device called a clock..You could try using that. ;-) [13:15] mond: what is this clock you speak of? [13:15] http://www.atheistmedia.com/2009/07/that-mitchell-and-webb-look-proof-there.html [13:15] uhh [13:16] I tells you the time...as if by magic. No sun or dial required. [13:16] Oh, awesome. You must be some kind of god. [13:16] I shoudl see if I can find old episodes of Junkyard Wars... I always loved that show. [13:16] oopss didn't mean too post that, still new to pidgin interface, anyway it's funny, evven if everyone already seen it [13:17] * rux has joined #nonprophets [13:17] I have always suspected that myself... [13:17] * ChristOnIce has joined #nonprophets [13:17] mond: sun is required [13:17] I'm only hearing music. When does the show start? [13:17] I'm a pragmatic solipsist - that's a sort of being ones own god. [13:17] 3:00 est [13:18] the show starts when the show starts [13:18] it's the nonprophets [13:18] Oh right, the *show*! I was having too much fun hanging around the chatroom. [13:18] You all have to admit, Ray Comfort is a handsome man [13:18] matt matt you sould make the intro "AND WE ARE THE NONPROPHETS" [13:18] I mean, I'm a straight male [13:18] Sensible choice for most people. [13:18] But when i look at him, I know he is handsome [13:19] Ray Comfort is ugly as homemade sin. :) [13:19] * Yaeger has joined #nonprophets [13:19] Homemade sin is the best kind. [13:19] Come on, don't say that just because he is a theist [13:19] You know he is a handsome man [13:19] Aw, I can't get in. Might have to listen to it later. [13:20] poor weaver [13:20] get in? [13:20] So I was in work yesterday [13:21] and I scheduled an interview with this gal [13:21] Her name was Kerry [13:21] She came in, wearing a tight tank top [13:21] No bra [13:21] Server seems to be rejecting me. No non-prophets for me. [13:21] Weird...so the website listed the next show as the 25th....not today [13:21] media player classic always worked for me when I was still doing windows [13:21] and her nips were poking right through, and it wasn't cold... does that mean she was turned on by me? [13:21] also VLC [13:21] ezra: she just wants the job [13:21] She's a fembot. [13:21] CD, I think the ACA should buy the biggest FM transmitter the world has seen and we could all tune in. [13:22] Dont give it to her she is pure evial [13:22] If it is not cold and a gal gets pokeys, does that mean she is hot for you? [13:22] I've always gotten through with WMP, so it's not that, unless something weird has changed. [13:22] I don't understand women [13:22] So help me out [13:22] Ezra: i'd guess no [13:22] Ok...there are 9 people connected, so I know the stream is working correctly [13:22] That's odd then. [13:22] Y'see, God installed nipples as a sort of .. "Natural Compass". [13:22] Who would it happen joachim? [13:22] Why* [13:22] mond: but they'd all get cancer [13:22] I'm using http://nonprophets.gotdns.org:8000 as I normally do. [13:22] nonprophets.gotdns.org:8000 [13:23] That should work [13:23] MATT.. MATT.. Is that you? No? [13:23] Its a small price to pay for fortnightly goodness (badness). [13:23] yes, this is Matt [13:23] I've always wondered; what do you have tattoo'd on your right arm? [13:23] * corkskroo has quit IRC (Client exited) [13:24] Without the http:// it doesn't go out on the 'net, and with it, I just get a server rejection error of some kind. [13:24] Weaver, do you ever go into the chatroom at Carm.org? [13:24] Carm? I don't think so. [13:25] use windows media player and give it a radio url that should work. [13:25] There's a Weaver over there [13:25] I didn't know if you were him [13:25] Oof, no, very not at an apologetics site. [13:25] kill the firewall .. just to check ? [13:25] I have two tats on my right arm. Crossed anchors and the red 'A' from the out campaign [13:25] I can give that a shot, but nothing's changed on my box since last time. [13:25] Ah.. Nice. :P [13:26] Wow [13:26] t [13:27] It's unfortunate the non prophets don't get as many listeners as the experience.. :/ [13:28] no [13:28] nonprophets is more hardcore [13:28] they have way less streaming capacity [13:28] AH! I got it. ZoneAlarm got it in its head to deny WMP silently. [13:28] nonprophets on ustreem [13:28] kickass [13:28] sure :) [13:28] Its alive! ALIVE! [13:28] enjoy the music weaver [13:29] Actually the music's taking a backseat to mythbusters for the time being. :D [13:29] Could the NPs not stream using ustream and put a static graphic up instead of video? [13:29] they could. [13:29] Microbiologychick, which host are you/ [13:30] I'm not a host, I'm Matt's girlfriend. [13:30] your not beath [13:30] Ohh, what is your favorite sex act to do with Matt? Dirty sanchez? [13:30] no comment there. [13:30] Uh huh. [13:31] lol. No comment. [13:31] Well, just remember, no matter which act you do.. Jesus is watching. [13:31] Although I will say that the couch you see on AE has seen some debauchery. :) [13:31] Are you and Matt gonna have kids [13:32] MBC, we can't unthink stuff like that. [13:32] =) [13:32] CodeWeaver: why would we? :) [13:32] * SquirrelO has joined #nonprophets [13:32] I don't need the mental distraction when watching AE, myself. :D [13:32] * Jake_ has joined #nonprophets [13:32] they them their privacy... jeeze [13:32] * Jake has quit IRC [13:33] Kids are not in the picture right now. [13:33] ae was better when it was in the studio [13:33] * Jake_ is now known as Jake [13:33] none of our business though [13:33] MBC, how large is Matt's penis? [13:33] Are pictures in the kids right now? [13:33] I disagree somewhat.... the audio's been better at DIS, and the environment's more cozy too. [13:33] "Welcome to the Non Prophets, live from the Dillahunty International Porn Palace...." [13:34] * Helvete has left #nonprophets [13:34] If she told you, you wouldn't believe her [13:34] don't like the handhelds [13:34] Ezra: I'm not helping you with your dirty fantasies. [13:34] lol [13:34] And we can drop that subject now [13:34] * Cthulhu has joined #nonprophets [13:34] lets talk about....jeff dee [13:34] ok im confused, is there a show today? [13:34] and why is he not on the npr [13:35] channel so empty [13:35] MBC, when you see Matt's fat naked hairy body, how can you possibly be turned on? I would think seeing that fat fuck naked would make you vomit [13:35] what is your major malfunction ? leave them their privacy * Timer 1 activated [13:35] * Non-Prophets sets mode: +b *!*@wikkedwire-535501F8.hsd1.ma.comcast.net * Timer 1 halted [13:35] * Ezra was kicked by Non-Prophets (Non-Prophets) [13:35] whats +b [13:35] ban [13:35] I coulda predicted that was coming. [13:35] +1 [13:35] what a maroon. [13:35] how does he know it's hairy? [13:36] Must be an ex [13:36] Har har =) [13:36] :) [13:36] please...anysobject other then thid [13:36] this* [13:36] Well, definitely an ex *now*. [13:36] Sometimes they get mad when they can't 'ride the lightning' anymore [13:36] LOL [13:36] hehe [13:36] * CodeWeaver almost snorts rootbeer up his nose. [13:36] MATT! [13:36] Is that why they call you Thor? [13:37] Root beer is disgusting. [13:37] I seriously have to stop drinking ANYTHING when on this chatroom. [13:37] is there music on the stream? [13:37] yeah [13:37] yes [13:37] Yes, it's live too. [13:37] hm [13:37] Jeff Dee on every instrument [13:37] mmmmmm rootbeer [13:37] Jeff is way too cool for us [13:37] mm, beer [13:38] I can't really cope with the idea of a nonprophets without a Denis intro. [13:38] i bet he has fun writing his name Jeff D. and answering what D. stands for [13:38] i know i would [13:38] DOOM! [13:38] Jeff Doom. [13:38] How cool would that be. [13:38] Jeff Disillusion [13:38] * CodeWeaver coughs [13:39] Can you not get schilling to skype an intro in. His modest intro last time was inspiring. [13:39] not inspired? [13:39] ha, replay the one from last time and just voice over anything that needs changing [13:40] Do the intro in sign language. [13:40] On a radio show...? [13:40] hellya [13:40] yes [13:40] Take a risk [13:40] Be a man.. [13:41] morse code would be cool... [13:41] hardcore man. Hardcore [13:41] hi matt [13:41] .... [13:41] I hear voice(s) [13:41] THE VOICES IN MY HEAD [13:41] who? [13:41] AHHH.. [13:41] they are evial [13:41] a woman! [13:41] yellow [13:42] "If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing!" I love exploding tires. [13:42] What makes me a good DEMOMAN?! [13:42] on tf2? [13:43] Is it me or has it gone really quiet on the stream? [13:43] I don't hear anything [13:43] ...well whats your favrite class on tf2? [13:43] God paused real life, had to go to bathroom. [13:43] so IRC isn't real life? [13:44] IRC is not real life. [13:44] It's the matrix. [13:44] Even the the unsual background crackle has gone. [13:44] So you think maybe the nonexistence of sound crackle is a bug in the matrix? [13:44] volume at max and only a slight hum in the background.... [13:44] Dude you guys should have invited Thunderfoot on today.. Ohhh maaaaan. [13:45] Jake you are correct, my volume was quite low. [13:46] still no sound besides the hum though, right/.' [13:46] ?*' [13:46] Well, I'm going to go read On the Origin of Species while this problem fixes. [13:47] Yup [13:47] mmmk [13:47] "64-year-old Erno Rubik, creator of the incredibly popular Rubik's Cube, has released a new puzzle." [13:47] :O [13:47] Cthulhu: spoiler: no god [13:48] Mmmmm puzzly evil. [13:48] I loved the the Rubik snake. No nob gags please. I am being serious. [13:48] I never could memorize enough patterns to solve that silly thing without a book. [13:49] there's a memorizable (for regular people) method that's pretty simple [13:49] * Pombolo has joined #nonprophets [13:49] Just google "Chess and Poker Rubiks Cube Solution" [13:49] ;) [13:49] Well, granted, I never gave it all that much effort. [13:49] heavy on cycles though [13:49] I know there's a lot of different very practical by-hand solutions. [13:49] My only claim to tackling the problem will be trying to get a computer to find an optimal solution. [13:50] dont use google as a verb matt gets madd at that. [13:50] Which is really bloody hard. [13:50] You want a neat webpage? Google Jaap's Puzzle Page. [13:50] To google. To google. To google. [13:50] Happy: No, it's Shilling who doesn't like that. [13:50] I google. I will google. I have googled. [13:50] oh [13:50] "Google-it" used as a rebuttal.... GRRRRRR [13:50] look it up could replace google-it [13:51] eh, yeah [13:51] true [13:51] it's perfectly valid [13:51] Is the stream supposed to be silent right now? [13:51] * ShadowOfDoubt has joined #nonprophets [13:51] they must be setting up [13:51] Oh, they were playing music earlier [13:52] Anyone heard Connie Sonne getting her excuses in on the JREF forum? [13:53] * omnikinesis has joined #nonprophets [13:53] Hello? [13:53] Pombolo: What's she saying? [13:53] * rudeboy has joined #nonprophets [13:53] Try MS Bling number one hit for "evolution" = conservapedia [13:53] uhh no we have not [13:53] She's convinced that Banachek was cheating her, because he knew what a card was AFTER LOOKING AT IT. [13:53] And she's going to reveal the "evidences" in Spetembe [13:54] *September [13:54] Linking microsoft with "bling" seems counter intuitive .... heh heh heh heh heh [13:55] its a new a search engine, MS taken it up with google [13:55] .... aaaahhhhh ... [13:55] bing is way coolerthen google [13:55] * Freewriter has joined #nonprophets [13:55] well, to be fair, google does need some conpetition [13:55] * sureup has joined #nonprophets [13:56] I remember something like 20 search engines not so long ago... [13:56] I watched the challenge live and was a bit suprised that Banachek was running it. It just seemed an odd choice. A gift to the true believers to claim deception. [13:56] rember ultavista [13:56] what happened to that? [13:56] altavista? yeah, once of their competitrs bought it [13:56] * gmp has joined #nonprophets [13:56] forget which one [13:56] * Rob_in_StL has joined #nonprophets [13:56] is the stream supposed to be quiet now? [13:56] wiki ought to have some history on that [13:56] there are still a bunch of them around [13:57] stram is live but quiet [13:57] stream [13:57] they just suck [13:57] yeah, unlike my 20 ear old vacuum cleaner, they do suck [13:57] did Matt watch Rebecca Watson get married ? [13:57] yes [13:57] damn it is friggin hot and humid today. Hate this weather ... [13:57] the show is not suposed to start for 3 mins. [13:58] rudeboy:not in canada [13:58] lucky you, happy [13:58] :D [13:58] where in CA? [13:58] I dunno, Vancouver's a bit warm today. [13:58] its raining here :) [13:58] ontario [13:58] two cannucks [13:58] It was worse yesterday. [13:58] testing [13:58] hello [13:58] I hear voices. [13:58] i love tests [13:58] I hear voices too! [13:58] * tekhiun has joined #nonprophets [13:58] they're back! [13:58] * DodgyEmu has joined #nonprophets [13:58] a woman?! [13:58] Is it because I'm going crazy or is it because they're testing. [13:59] New non-prophet member. [13:59] natasha [13:59] One of these damn days, I'm visiting the great North. Who'll put me up for free ..? [13:59] Or are the voices in my head testing? [13:59] hello [13:59] or was it kathleen? ;) [13:59] I hear you [13:59] crap -- no takers [13:59] The UStream feed of the wedding showed Matt dancing with MBchick (Beth?) for a couple of seconds. [14:00] guess I have to travel in hotels [14:00] * Cthulhu has quit IRC (Cthulhu) [14:00] Bth, yes [14:00] beth [14:00] drive up here it is fun [14:00] ok [14:00] was the skeptics broadcast live on Ustream ? [14:00] I want to -- I haven't been to Canada yet [14:00] yes [14:00] part of TAM was streamed [14:01] anyone have a reckording of it? [14:01] iwish I'd known [14:01] It was archived on ustream as well [14:01] i haven't been to canada either [14:01] like the million dollar challenge [14:01] nor MExico even though it's barely three hours south of me [14:01] It was recorded on ustream, not sure if it's still there [14:01] I feel the urge to travel again [14:01] whats the ustreem chanel? [14:01] sow's up [14:01] tool [14:01] nice [14:01] show's [14:01] go to randi.org [14:01] It was jref-office [14:02] Music [14:02] i love tool [14:02] :) [14:02] we are live LIVE! [14:02] LIVE! [14:02] Go Go Go! [14:02] yeah live [14:02] I went earlier [14:02] HE DID IT [14:02] wihoo [14:02] :) [14:02] oh [14:02] It's ALIVE! [14:02] best intro ever [14:02] russell! [14:02] aww no dennis and no shilling [14:02] shilling moved [14:03] yea! [14:03] yeah [14:03] yay [14:03] music! [14:03] woohoo [14:03] nother show next week [14:03] changing html sure is a pain in the ass [14:03] WOOOOO! [14:03] welcome Kathleen [14:03] woot [14:03] Yay Kathleen! [14:03] LKL lol [14:03] Too true [14:03] welcome [14:03] Hi kath. [14:03] so profecional [14:04] Welcome Kathleen! [14:04] contracter? [14:04] Software development contracts no doubt. [14:04] contractor = another word for pimp [14:04] oh i thought he ment building houses [14:04] contractor != detractor [14:04] Is there any video anywhere from the amazing meeting? (except the wedding) [14:05] Happy: that's what they want you to think [14:05] I watched a large chunk of it live...No sure about recordings. [14:07] Matt is famous [14:07] I recognized you in the Hotel [14:07] So, Matts an internet celebrity. :) [14:07] i was not there sad face [14:07] Matt had over 50 people recognize him at TAM. [14:07] He isn't. [14:07] Well, don't let it go to his head. [14:07] * DorisES has joined #nonprophets [14:07] =) [14:08] * The_Fat_Man has joined #nonprophets [14:08] vagus has porn on the streets [14:08] * Deputy_Dogma has joined #nonprophets [14:08] * The_Fat_Man is now known as Thomas_Bolanos [14:08] uh oh [14:08] Happy: vagus? [14:08] I am finally on!!! [14:08] i fail at spelling [14:08] sounds like a nice place =p [14:08] yup [14:08] :P [14:08] Thomas_Bolanos: you are indeed :) [14:08] * Deputy_Dogma has left #nonprophets [14:09] * Deputy_Dogma has joined #nonprophets [14:09] Swizzy [14:09] craps? [14:09] there are real games, you know [14:09] mostly we sat around in the bar and drank [14:09] Poker is great, playing it now :) [14:09] beer is bad [14:09] texas hold'em ftw [14:09] Happy: false [14:10] http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/fail2.jpg [14:10] One of our local atheist group members won that tournament I think. [14:10] That's cool [14:10] aww [14:10] Star Trek Experience is closed down, sadly. [14:11] Another podcast has documented their closing quite well. [14:11] but...i love star trek [14:11] Star Trek Experience on the Hilton, that is. [14:11] There's a video being produced of one of the people who worked there called: Star Trek My Experience - it's quite good. [14:12] I take it you guys saw the silly Danish woman at TAM who was trying to do dowsing?.. She put the entire country of Denmark to shame. :( [14:12] I didn't see that! [14:12] That's... [14:13] Wow, so the wrong place to try that if you're a fraud. [14:13] She was completely ridiculously debunked. [14:13] Go to the JREF forums and listen to her pathetic excuses [14:13] why is it aways ae npr it good too. [14:13] Yeah - and the best part: In her introduction she was SURE of herself. [14:13] it=is [14:13] Do you have a link or video of that? [14:13] Me? No. [14:13] CodeWeaver: sorry, no. But like Pombolo said, the jref forums have audio of her. [14:13] I do so love a good skeptical earth-shattering kaboom. :D [14:13] Dowsers are allways funny :) [14:14] and south point is kinda lame but good for a convention [14:14] The video of James Randi debunking all those dowsers in Australia was funny as heck. [14:14] I seriously felt ashamed because of her :( [14:14] The audience were incredibly quiet for a very long time. I was impressed [14:14] We don't blame you, debdrup. [14:14] matt rocks, picks a fight with the MC right off the bat! [14:14] CodeWeaver: I know, but still.. [14:14] to reason to feel ashamed [14:15] Dammit, the feed is lagging several seconds behind this chat room. Either that or you are all psychic [14:15] ...your feed maby [14:15] no reason* [14:15] Hal Bidlack is a deist [14:15] like there's no reason to feel proud when people of your nationality perform well [14:15] Oh wait, the dowser was supposed to be there as a part of the JREF challenge. [14:15] She didn't just wander into it. [14:15] * Deputy_Dogma has quit IRC (Deputy_Dogma) [14:15] CodeWeaver: exactly. [14:15] unless you actually are responsible for them [14:16] Alright, then at least I applaud her guts in putting herself on the spot. [14:16] I'm not. I'm still just ashamed. [14:16] * Freewriter has left #nonprophets [14:16] it wasn't on the spot [14:16] * Rob_in_StL has quit IRC (Rob_in_StL) [14:17] dam you hal [14:17] deist=watered down theism [14:17] that's probably the point [14:17] or watered down atheism [14:17] :) [14:17] What an oxymoron. [14:18] ghosts are scary. [14:18] Where is the psychological point of discord when a skeptic manages to believe in a God? [14:18] or theist that don't understand Occam's razor [14:18] or reality [14:18] there are different kinds of scepticism [14:18] * Rob has joined #nonprophets [14:18] some, maybe most(?), do make claims [14:18] Skepticism on everything, except my imaginary sky-being. [14:18] * Blahface has joined #nonprophets [14:18] haha [14:18] link to skepicality please? [14:18] *space being [14:19] others may equal god-claims to reality-claims [14:19] They always do. [14:19] Bidlack's argument is purely emotional [14:19] * Urion has joined #nonprophets [14:19] Quite posisbly, Matt. [14:19] and he admits it [14:19] But being a dick isn't a bad thing. [14:19] sometimes it is [14:19] Indeed [14:19] or mosttimes. [14:20] the best 9/11 debunking article oddly enough came from cracked.com [14:20] his wife was dying of cancer [14:20] so he's a deist, that's it [14:21] Personal Experiences! The gateway to anything being true [14:21] Of course [14:21] a skeptic w/personal experience; not much a skeptic [14:21] Personal experience, even from the most reliable of sources, is something I never trust. [14:21] Bidlack admits it is not a falsifiable claim [14:21] 18 hours of it [14:22] "anecdotal evidence is science" - Jenny McCarthy. [14:22] and us in the chat room? [14:22] LOL [14:22] seriously!? [14:22] Like she knows what science is. [14:22] she must have missed the first day [14:22] debdrup: do you have any other source of anything? [14:22] but that is a direct quote [14:22] Of course. [14:22] She abandoned science with her "indigo child" new age woo a long time ago. [14:22] She skipped science class. [14:22] then by that standards harry potter is a science fiction book [14:22] joachim: eh? [14:22] Matt, Bidlack did the exact same thing last year [14:23] Banged the geek to get a god grade. [14:23] anedoctal evidence cant be falsifiable [14:23] * rudeboy tests his wand ... [14:23] debdrup: you don't trust personal experience [14:23] i like how now there is a good amount of evidence that her kid never had autism [14:23] joachim: correct. Not even my own. [14:23] great [14:23] * rudeboy tests his broomstick [14:23] like a shot across the bow to silence the loud mouth atheists [14:23] CRAP! Neither of them work now .... [14:23] But LKL, she has mommy-sense! [14:23] you don't believe in anything, then? [14:23] ?yes [14:23] not enough apparently [14:24] joachim: I don't believe. [14:24] Jay from SGU is an agnostic [14:24] No sure how that's relevant [14:24] debdrup: pyrrhonian scepticism? :) [14:24] he also will have his melon frozen when he kicks [14:24] The sgu do discuss religion but only when it is making real world claims. [14:24] Or the SGU will discuss it via creationism [14:25] or exorcisms [14:25] * NeutronJack has joined #nonprophets [14:25] and other "demon told me to kill my kids" type things [14:25] NJ!! [14:25] Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuudewboy! [14:25] Happens oftenly in Mexico. [14:25] joachim: not really. [14:25] Welcome back, man [14:25] debdrup: how do you differ? [14:26] joachim: I don't claim that nothing can be known. Plenty can be known, but there has to be a basis for establishing it. [14:26] sure [14:27] pyrrhonian scepticism doesn't claim that [14:27] it has no claims [14:27] The statement that nothing can be known is considered dogmatic by pyrrhonian skeptics. [14:28] yes [14:28] plenty can be known is also dogmatic [14:28] perfect eff bomb actually [14:28] Spot on Russell [14:28] Amen, Russell! [14:28] ... [14:29] say all the words [14:29] I've used the same argument myself [14:29] Yes, almost all the 7 words [14:29] Carlin was great :) [14:29] 3mythbusters [14:29] WHO'S THAT? [14:29] Adam Savage from mythbusters [14:29] 3antivax panel [14:29] Blasphemy! He doesnt watch mythbusters!! [14:29] that talk is on fora.tv [14:29] i'ts pretty good [14:29] You know, Adam & Eve? Adam's last name was Savage, apparently. [14:30] What> [14:30] ? [14:30] Oh, my bad. [14:30] libertarianism [14:30] Video of the dowser test from JREF for anyone interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhoW6_2H4aE [14:30] Thanks code! [14:30] Similarly, I know that all good skeptics are vegetarians, like me. :-) [14:30] * debdrup cringes [14:31] Fucking bitch, why did she have to go do something so stupid. [14:31] I disbelieve your claim, NeutronJack. :D [14:31] libertarians, conservatives that want to smoke pot and ... [14:31] i wonder what penn & teller have to say on their tax episode [14:31] That is just the same all skeptics shoud be atheists....but shall not be discussed. [14:31] how is that the same? [14:32] * Eyrie has joined #nonprophets [14:32] Liberals do that all the damned time. Far worse than others [14:32] I am not left or right. [14:33] i am left [14:33] I'm right here. [14:33] I'm up. [14:33] libertarian covers a wide range of people - i prefer to call myself a "classic liberal" [14:33] i dislike politicians slightly less than religious leaders [14:33] Im a norwegian socialist, hooray! [14:33] I am the boring Independent. [14:33] sureup: yay socialism. [14:33] i htink it's just easiest to not align with any political party [14:33] sureup: Dane here, by the way. :) [14:33] LKL: so you're a pussy [14:33] * Reviis has joined #nonprophets [14:34] Cool :) [14:34] I'm a democraticsocialistecolibertarian .. so there ... oh, and an atheist ... so there .... [14:34] no, but there's just no party i completely agree with [14:34] Neither do I. [14:34] of course there isn't [14:34] I just tuned in. Who is the female voice? [14:34] Kathleen. [14:34] The new victi... er... non-prophet. [14:34] Reviis: new potential Non Prophet, Kathleen. [14:34] JoachimI just mean that it was a bit of hipocracy. Other speakers can put atheists into a group(ie liberatarian) but Hal specifically suggested religion is off the table [14:34] sureup: SV? [14:34] CodeWeaver: ahaha :D [14:34] when you vote its aways between a duche and a terd [14:35] Religion and politics are inherently different. One comes down to belief and the other to preference. Rationalism and skepticism have far less play in the latter [14:35] Rødt/AP, dont really like SV [14:35] well, this time we got the douche and dumped out the turds ... somewhat [14:35] Most because of the afghanistan stuff [14:35] the NOMA argument, ChristOnIce? [14:35] Taboo = end of discussion [14:35] Gonna be AP this election, cause if FRP wins Norway will go down the shitter [14:35] mond: it wasn't that it was off limits, it's just not relevant for skepticism [14:36] Not exactly, code [14:36] was being a libertarian? as advocated my Shermer [14:36] I don't see where politics should be immune from analysis of claims of truth any more than religion. [14:36] So, when some moron says that we can rape the world because the Second Coming is nigh, that's just religion, and doesn't enter into politics, eh? [14:36] no, libertarianism as a topic [14:36] sureup, don't let Norway go the way of the US or UK. You have a fine system there.... [14:36] Or visa versa for that matter. [14:36] it doesn't follow [14:36] i hate us politics. [14:36] I think that rationalism should be considered in the execution of politics. I just don't feel that politics is terribly relevant to rationalism [14:37] Yep, but FRP and shitty "right" parties are groing :( Trying to stop it! [14:37] sureup: i voted for venstre [14:37] I dont see how being a libertarian is relevant to skeptisism? [14:37] i'm a little for and against everything :) [14:37] * Blahface has quit IRC (ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]) [14:37] what are libertarians? [14:37] Ueh please vote a little lefter and save Norway from FRP+Høyre ;) [14:37] mond: good, it's not [14:37] im canadian [14:37] If your politics is based on anything other than healthy skepticism and makes testable claims, then why shouldn't it be the realm of rationalism? [14:37] sureup: venstre will never support frp [14:37] I employ rational thought when I buy a good beer, but I would hardly suggest that any rational thinker should drink Asahi Kouronama [14:37] they are growing cause groups -- some of them here -- are shoveling money into altering all of EUrope into the neocon mess we're slogging through right now [14:38] True that, but they support høyre :P dont like them either [14:38] So choosing a political stance is akin to choosing a beer? [14:38] but FRP is ofc the main enemy [14:38] I agree ... I choose beer for president ... [14:38] i'd say venstre is our most rational party [14:38] preferably a microbrew [14:38] The execution of my political preferences is entirely rational. However, skepticism has little to do with my general priorities. [14:38] ofc since i voted for them ;) [14:38] Objectivism!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [14:39] What does have to do with your general priorities and how do you make those determinations? [14:39] ahhhh1 [14:39] objectivists fail [14:39] hehe yeah venstre is the least worst of the right-center parties [14:39] The Free Will vs. Determinism show was fun! [14:39] sureup: picking ones evils is what politics is all about. [14:39] i don't like the one-dimensional line [14:39] Pombolo: agreed! [14:39] Many of those determinations come from simple preference, which is often not based in skepticism. [14:39] Pombolo: after much thought, I actually had to agree with Denis.. [14:40] Such as? [14:40] venstre is pretty leftist, it's the leftmost on social issues and "borgerlønn" (minimum income for all citizens) is pretty socialistic, eh? :) [14:40] Shouldn't it just be NOM? [14:40] Libertarianism seems a bit dogmatic to me. [14:40] nom nom nom [14:40] Ofc joachim but its just there to make it a bit easier [14:40] Deb: Yes, I thought the others made good points, but ultimately... [14:40] ... I was rooting for Dennis [14:40] I'm rather selfish and feel that a somewhat free market will benefit me the most. [14:40] Denis put down roots [14:41] he's a PLANT [14:41] Hmm. [14:41] Ah ha! [14:41] check and see if he is absorbing sunlight [14:41] I'm not sure as an example that is devoid of skeptical analysis. [14:41] But im no venstre expert tho, dont really focus on them hehe [14:41] It would've been funny if she said no. [14:41] My penchant for selfishness is harldy a product of purely rational thought. Most skeptics are not as selfish [14:41] But your leader is maybe the funniest one ;) [14:41] would greatly improve lives of the drug addicts, artists, students, etc.. [14:41] hehe [14:41] he says what he means [14:41] I saw you Matt [14:41] yep, hes entertaining and keeping it real [14:42] i did not sadface [14:42] Beth is CLEARLY out of your league [14:42] Compared to lieing scum of FRP and so on [14:42] Well, surprise wedding is better than surprise buttsex. [14:42] ;) [14:42] lol [14:42] Many of my moral positions are rational application of less-than-rational positions [14:42] frp is getting scary large [14:42] ouch! [14:43] Naked fun is the best fun. [14:43] btw, venstre is of course for privacy protection and open borders - imagine there's no countries.... :D [14:43] porn [14:43] Yeah theres a lot of good stuff about venstre [14:43] I'll have to think about that, but I suspect you could at least analyse your reasons for being selfish and whether or not they are justified. [14:43] oj, OJ simpson? or do you mean orange juce. [14:44] "OJ Simpson" - flashback to watching Bruno [14:44] 3the speakers were not nearly as good as last year [14:44] Especially about the privacy protection, where trond giske has totally sold out [14:44] and file sharing [14:44] yep thats what im talking about [14:44] ah. [14:44] I think that they are, and I certainly do apply skepticism to the analysis. But to account for the vast difference in basic priorities for different skeptics, there has to be something less rational at play [14:44] Thats my biggest problem with AP at the moment [14:44] We can demonstrate why science works. [14:44] 3the panel with P&T, savage, ouellette, and prady was good [14:44] I have yet to have anyone demonstrate how benevolence would be a good thing for me [14:45] That Jenny bitch! [14:45] but two separate issues there, privacy with data logging and cultural freedom/copyright [14:45] indeed [14:45] Rødt is more hardcore on that than Venstre [14:45] On an individual basis, it might not be. See the Prisoner's Dilemma. [14:45] really? [14:45] I'm pretty sure she hasn't. [14:46] I've kept quite up with what Jenny's doing, for lack of anything else to do - and I don't remember it. [14:46] She has recruited Jim Carey as an anti-vaxer... [14:46] I watched the Dawkins documentary for the Prisoner's Dilemma [14:46] But they are a little bit too unrealistic [14:46] i thought venstre was the only party to pursue free sharing of works [14:46] mond: your source for this being? [14:46] SGU [14:46] Especially on the culture side [14:46] i guess communism would take care of that [14:46] :P [14:46] hehe [14:46] It's good, but, as I recall, the best option is to be among very few opportunistic individuals in a generally tit for tat system [14:47] Hell yeah [14:47] debdrub: They did report that on SGU. Can't remember what episode [14:47] i did consider what you said though, to avoid a rightist government to vote for AP [14:47] but? [14:47] idealism cought up on me :) [14:47] hehe [14:47] Good way Matt [14:47] Its not like im only voting ap because of frp [14:48] its jeffs show not yours [14:48] Pombolo & mond: Hrm, okay.. Well, too bad for Jim Carrey. [14:48] I agree with a lot with AP, but wish they were a little bit more on the left [14:48] His name is on the studio. [14:48] i don't like høyre, and krf made some scary statements about christianity and the marriage act [14:48] i know venstre will tolerate krf (which i won't) [14:48] I hope KRF gets the fuck out of the storting [14:48] What was the name of this illusionist/mentalist? [14:48] we are done with this christian bullshit [14:49] Apparently Jim Carey "studied both sides of the argument" [14:49] South Park episode of Jesus and his miracles. [14:49] ok...turn arround [14:49] KRF are so weak, they cant do anything, cause all their christian issues are already dealt with and no1 supports them [14:49] "Ok turn around. Vua-la, I converted the water into wine!" [14:50] show and tell on the internet ... [14:50] they have nothing to fight for, except overturning the marriage act [14:50] Only thing they possibly could have some influence on is the state church, nothing else [14:50] but that wont work, its dealt with already [14:50] no1 supports them and with 5% u cant change a big thing like that [14:50] they claim "christian values" are disappearing, but they can't define them [14:50] they are useless [14:50] Never can they. [14:50] yep, so i hope their gone soon :) [14:50] "deck"? Isn't it traditionally an autograph book? [14:50] BS, he did tricks for me in the bar on Wed night [14:50] I know one that disappeared, slavery!!! [14:51] * omnikinesis has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [14:51] An autograph deck is an awesome idea for a magician. :D [14:51] Oh, cards! [14:51] they are part of the state-church-compromise [14:51] Didn't make that connection, for some reason. [14:51] maybe why it is a compromise and not a decision... :/ [14:51] I wish someone dared to talk more about that stuff [14:51] cause im tired of us pooring money in to brainwashing [14:51] it's not that they don't [14:52] i think people don't care [14:52] not a single party talks about it [14:52] We love all you guys! Go to more TAM all of ya! :D [14:52] it's not an issue... [14:52] i think lotsa people would care if they knew [14:52] ide love to meet don [14:52] well, everyone gets equal support [14:52] he seems pretty badass [14:52] No thats wrong [14:52] state church gets waaaay more [14:53] we pay like 1000+ krones per person to the christian church [14:53] and its not only per person, we take care of the organization, restoration and so on [14:54] afaik, the rule is the amount spent on the church is divided on the number of members and an equal amount is given for each member of every other life stance group [14:54] Oh praise the prophet Francis Collings who is able to know what God really thinks! What an asshole. [14:54] which means they get alot more money [14:54] since most church members are atheists :) [14:54] That is their sales pitch. [14:54] "I know what God thinks!" [14:55] Thats half true, cause we also on top of the member base pay them to fix their churches and so on [14:55] We poor millions in there when they need it [14:55] "What about this odd bit?" "Well, nobody can understand the mind of GOD!" [14:55] i agree [14:55] If we didn't require our betters to tell us what God thinks... we might try to think for ourselves [14:55] but anyways im against supporting any religious groups tho [14:55] i agree [14:55] I as well. [14:55] But not a single party talks about that and that sucks [14:56] not even frp? [14:56] FRP would kill itself if they did that [14:56] It is a poison for them. Religion is always off-limits.. [14:56] Unless you say that Jesus is in your life. [14:56] Most true christians are old people, and old people tend to vote right ;) [14:57] frp recognizes how important jesus is to us [14:57] What if Obama suddenly becomes a Dominionist? [14:57] Right, I'm off to play Freeciv [14:57] * Pombolo has quit IRC (ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009061622]) [14:57] never liked ken miller. [14:57] sureup: member of the humanist association? [14:57] Nope, ive considered it though [14:57] that's at least one group working for religious freedom [14:58] i joined earlier this year [14:58] Yeah ill think about it [14:58] stem cells ... [14:58] they are picking some important fights [14:58] I love stem cells. [14:58] I havent really heard so much about their fights [14:58] therefore i havent bothered to join em yet [14:59] debrup, just for that Jim Carrey reference which I make earlier. http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=308 [14:59] against human rights violations in public school, etc.. [14:59] mond: my nick is debdrup.. :P [14:59] All i know they do is organize non-religious alternatives [14:59] mhm true i remember that one about KRL [14:59] and the constant fight for church-state separation [15:00] yeah ill check em out ;) [15:00] oops, that pesky 'd' key is acting up again. [15:01] but now i gotta focus on my poker, but thanks for the talk :( [15:01] :) [15:01] wait a sec [15:01] aight [15:02] * rudeboy wishes he could focus on poker ... [15:02] Matt: What is your favorite color? [15:02] Good save, Matt! [15:03] sureup: sorry, frp changed their mantra. they used to recognized both nature and god in the same principle [15:03] debdrup, color is spelled colour. ;-) [15:03] -d [15:03] mond: it is, in British English. [15:03] lol [15:03] mond: sadly, I've been Americanized a bit too much. I'm trying to change, though. [15:03] nature provided rights, god values. [15:03] or as I like to call it. Proper English [15:04] lol [15:04] Proper English, yes. [15:04] Damn it. I am in America. [15:04] i like butchering english [15:04] Happy: at least you're good at it. [15:04] I like the proper use of the English language. [15:04] They have so much sick stuff just to win stupid peoples minds [15:05] I love playing with the language.. keeps my mind sharp [15:05] "Forskjellen mellom KrF og Frp er at vi ikke blander religion og politikk sammen. Frp mener det er viktigere at de grunnleggende kristne verdiene i samfunnet vernes, enn at alle vÃ¥re medlemmer bekjenner seg som troende kristne." [15:05] I so have to go to TAM next year. [15:05] like their new thing about sending "asylsøkere" to africa, and forcing immigrants to meet up for breakfast together every day and shit lol [15:05] I have no excuse. [15:05] wait, what? [15:05] I have a very heavy scottish accent so you probably wouldn't understand my spoken version of english. [15:05] drives everyone at work crazy too, so there is a bonus there. [15:05] Maybe I should just speak in SPanish since Joachim changed language. [15:05] sureup: or imprisoning krekar [15:05] yeah [15:05] they are so full of shit [15:05] The scottish accent is awesome. I had fun talking with a couple of friendly boozers in a scottish pub once. [15:05] FUN [15:06] Ooooh! [15:06] we don't hate women [15:06] they talk about stuff which isnt possible to do, but people think its good ideas and stuff [15:06] A woman!!! [15:06] [15:06] fuck i hate FRP [15:06] does she really think they can do that? or is she just vote-trolling? [15:06] oooh, scots ... I seem to remember a movie where the scots was so strong they had to subtitle it [15:06] ...you will never replace shilling [15:06] Trainspotters...? [15:06] i'm guessing the latter, but you never know [15:06] I still like the fact that there is a woman. [15:06] I dont know, if its the first then they are stupid, if its the last they are smart but evil [15:06] marry was fn crazy [15:06] she was an anarckest. [15:06] Yeh, trainspotting was almost like a documentary. lol [15:07] it proves they are all about individual freedom, right? [15:07] THIS ARTICLE IS TERRIBLE [15:07] so I recall [15:07] STOP NOW [15:07] hehe [15:07] freedom to be jailed without sentence [15:07] indeed [15:07] SHE KNOWS NOTHING [15:07] NOTHING! [15:07] pz doesn't like her [15:07] oh brother, Texas comes through again with the religious moron brigade [15:07] yeye brb, poker break ;( [15:07] ;) [15:07] also proves their voters don't really care about their politics [15:07] someone break texas off from the rest of the nation please .. [15:07] 95% of their voters are either racists or stupid [15:07] brb [15:08] anyone caring about liberalism/libertarianism would drop that shit [15:08] you can be racists nad smart? [15:08] As soon as you are racist, you are pretty fucking stupid. [15:08] In total of course. [15:09] unless you hate black people. that's fine [15:09] *kidding* [15:09] lol [15:09] Peter Morrison website: "Texas Conservatives: Join My Free Email Newsletter and Help Light a Fire to Take Back Our State and Country from RINO Sellouts and Liberal Extremists" [15:09] Hot shit! [15:09] I don't care for the tie that people attempt to make between being against illegal immigration and being a racist [15:09] this news sucks......bring back shilling [15:09] My parents were illegal immigrants. [15:09] me neither [15:10] i read that Catholicism is the fastest growing religion in the US because of all the illegals. [15:10] there is a valid tie to being an idiot, though [15:10] His position on a fence has DICK to do with his position on social studies [15:10] semi-ironic [15:10] im back [15:10] oh and btw, the 5% i didnt mention, they are rich and gready [15:10] Are you suggesting that it's automatically idiotic to oppose illegal immigration? [15:10] Catholicism isn't really taken seriously by the Mexicans. [15:10] Oh damn. [15:10] That sounds WRONG. [15:10] unless catholic [15:11] the rest of latin america is pretty into it [15:11] ChristOnIce: i don't accept the concept of illegal immigration [15:11] I'm mexican, but my parents nor anybody in neighborhood gave a shit about going to church. [15:11] Then you have no understanding of what the rule of law means [15:12] different areas have different concentrations of religious people [15:12] If you oppose immigration control, that's all well and good, but accusing people of idiocy for wanting to enforce a reasonable law is just stupid [15:12] do you live in mexico? [15:12] If only we had some sort of FREEDOM OF SPEECH, where people could talk about religion in public any time they wanted! [15:12] Naw, parents moved to California and I knew nobody who went to a Catholic church. [15:12] heh heh [15:12] ChristOnIce: reasonable law? [15:13] that's your opinion [15:13] It might be taken seriously in Mexico, but I doubt Mexicans in America take it seriously. [15:13] i imagine all the illegals that have nothing would be more willing and open to accept Catholicism. [15:13] Yes. Ducking your head in the sand and refusing to recognize a legitimate concept is absurd. Oppose it, but do so with reason [15:13] deamphtize thurgood masrshall I Brown vs Board of education [15:13] No, they will be too damn busy looking for a job. [15:13] * Eyrie has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) [15:13] praying for a job [15:14] :P [15:14] Praying isn't doing anything. [15:14] It is reasonable. No valid argument to the contrary. It may not be good. Hell, it may be horrible, however, it is still based upon reason. Ineffeciency towards a goal does not invalidate attempt [15:14] there are a lot of mexican gangs and such that have heavy religious overtones and rules [15:14] what does it say, what does it do [15:15] Unfortunately kind of. [15:15] what is its cost, what is its effect? [15:15] They have that dumbass Virgen de Guadalupe in all their gear, but none of them are frequent church-goers. [15:15] this show rly sucks. too mutch TAM talk. [15:15] A language question. Why does the US mainstream seem so anti-liberal when the word liberal is all about freedom, a staple of US culture. [15:15] i'm not trying to be an authority on hte subject, i'm just relaying some stats i've read. i should probably look in it more [15:15] The US mainstream is not anti-liberal in the least [15:16] mond, that's the question of the era ... [15:16] anything that warrants building a FENCE between countries sounds idiotic [15:16] Mine more information. [15:16] Spawn more overlords. [15:16] Not necessarily. It would address a valid concern. The question is whether or not it would do so properly [15:16] mond: because they don;t know wat words mean [15:17] or whether or not it would do so idiotically [15:17] which it would [15:17] they assume it means to change everything [15:17] it wasw the neocon conservatives that turned the word, "liberal" into a bad word [15:17] I don't think that the fence would accomplish anything. However, it is not an automatically idiotic idea. One can clearly see how the fence would help [15:17] conservatives don't like change [15:17] Do you have any argument based on reason joachim, or are you just going to repeat your circular cry of idiocy? [15:18] a "valid concern"? [15:18] and like that they kept repeating it over and over until it became "accepted" [15:18] ChristOnIce: do you have any? [15:18] In part, it is probabbly a misconception that I have, cos I am not stateside. [15:18] That sounds like a really fucking good idea. [15:18] ChristOnIce: what is your valid concern about immigration? [15:18] Having that education chair, that is. [15:18] Haha. [15:18] and please base it on reason. [15:18] I thought Matt had enough back and forth in Vegas with Beth :D [15:19] Cue snapping of fingers. [15:19] Sorry, let me get my crayon to make this easier for you. Illegal immigration has multiple harms. First, it add a great deal of cost to the government to cover those who pay no taxes. They are essetially freeloading with no responsibility [15:19] gawd is the dick in the bible ... [15:19] illegal immigration harms the economy? [15:19] But we get no tax-refund check either. [15:19] please provide peer-reviewed studies [15:19] Second, it lowers pay rates for many people. Illegals legitimize below-minimum wages because they know they cannot fight them without getting caught [15:20] oh brother ... I get so tired of that same old, they aren't really christians .. [15:20] No, let's see you counter-argue. I've yet to hear you say anytthing worthwhile [15:20] but it improves pay rates for the immigrants [15:20] do you care more for the people already living in your country? [15:21] Good point, Russell. [15:21] the illegal immigrant don't pay taxes at that does economic harm [15:21] No. But we aren't arguing about why I care about. We're arguing over the government taking action to suit their needs [15:21] "Your answer doesn't agree with mine, so you must have stopped searching." [15:21] LKL: to make that claim you have to say lower taxes harm the economy [15:22] If you don't think that illegal immigration causes any harm, then you are either stupid or naieve. You may feel that the harm is worth accepting and have no qualm with it, but don't pretend it isn't there [15:22] i don't think ChristOnIce is prepared to say that [15:22] they most certainly can [15:22] Fuck you Christ! [15:22] ChristOnIce: you have yet to provide evidence for your claims [15:23] bush's tax cuts and spending of money we don't have did economic harm [15:23] Cough up evidence please? [15:23] You have yet to provide a claim. I'm not likely to bother doing much in the way of researching for you here. First of all, this is elementary shit, Second, you've yet to show that it would do any good. Make at least one claim of reason in place of your infantile "it;s idiotic because..." [15:23] sure, let me pull it out of my ass where it's right on hand [15:24] ChristOnIce: watch it. [15:24] i object to your claim, why do i have to make my own? [15:24] we haven't settled the original disagreement [15:25] Kick me if need be, deb. I won't go out of my way to be a dick, but will not limit myself either. Make the call when you need. [15:25] to think that people coming here illegally, not paying the taxes they should, and taking welfare and other govt. program money is not doing any harm is a stupid claim [15:25] ChristOnIce: I just told you to watch it. If you keep watching it, you won't be needlessly kicked. [15:25] I don't think that illegals taking welfare is a big deal. Very few of them do so [15:25] saying illegals hurt the economy because they don't pay tax - what does that mean? [15:25] will higher taxes improve the economy? [15:26] yes [15:26] yes and no, it's not universal [15:26] it's not an argument [15:26] Okay, the crayon is getting dull, but I'll persist. If the government spends more money on people but do not get more money from the peopele, do they break even? [15:26] better yet, not really higher, but different taxes [15:26] that depends on what they used to get/spend [15:26] Poker shouldnt be mentioned with other casino games ;) [15:27] also, there is such a thing as the future (usually) [15:27] Since illegal immigrants get paid less than the average emplyee, the amount of hours of work that an immigrant does means that there is a less opportunity cost for making merchandise. Therefore creating merchanmdise at lower price for the consumer. Helping the consumer to buy more items from other place. [15:27] some of the money you make goes to the govt. to support society [15:27] Health care alone costs a hell of a lot [15:27] illegals are consuming from society without giving back [15:27] how much does health care for illegal immigrants cost? [15:27] A shit load [15:28] provide the number [15:28] Ever go to the ER without insurance in teh US? [15:28] Thom Hartmann discussed this on his show. In fact, raising taxes on the top earners would improve things for the rest of us. I'm not a debater here, but I read a lot about this stuff, and it is worth investigating. [15:28] Some of them don't get any medical insurance. [15:28] ERs are required to treat you [15:28] Exactly. As they should be [15:28] that money has to come from some place [15:28] ChristOnIce: provide the number [15:28] As such, though, they provide treatment without getting paid [15:29] you can't just say this and not back it up [15:29] ChristOnIce: isn't ER excempt from health insurance in the US? I'm not that familiar with the situation over there, I'm from a country with socialized healthcare. [15:29] How does an illegal immigrant get government help without a citizenship or a residenceship. It takes about 3 years for the residence and 5 years for the citizenship. [15:29] "socialized" [15:29] I don't get medical insurance because I cannot afford it. So I'd be a candidate for the Er if something really bad happened to me. Fact of life in the US, tens of millions of people are in the same boat, more every day cause of the massive job layoffs, that terminate any so-called health plans ... [15:29] Deb: No. Health insurance provides for emergency visits. The degree to which it does varies. [15:30] ChristOnIce: ah, okay. Thanks for clarifying. [15:30] so you get a bill after the visit? [15:30] I do have medical on my auto insurance, so if I get hurt in my car, I have some chance there ... [15:30] joachim: well, my three weeks in a hospital with lung-membrane infection and lung-infection in my left and right lung respectively didn't cost me anything. [15:30] A trip with insurance used to run me $200. Without, $7,000 [15:30] Went to the ER when I passed a kidney stone (didn't know it was that at the time). Cost me $4K I didn;t have. [15:30] debdrup: just saying the term is... unfortunate and imprecise [15:30] Gay demons are our friends. [15:31] They create the latest fashion. [15:31] lol [15:31] Yeah, kidney stones are bullshit. When you look at the cost of care compared to the bill, it's absurd [15:31] joachim: sure, but I couldn't think of a better way of explaining it than by giving it the label.. Turns out, I had to explain it anyway, so it was for naught. [15:31] Now, there is one thing some people don't know about the ER payments. You can negotiate it down. [15:31] they charge $100 for a box of tissues [15:31] The profit margin is higher than about anything else [15:31] not even kidding [15:31] * omnikinesis has joined #nonprophets [15:31] Debdrup, you do pay for healthcare, just not at the point of delivery. Taxes pay for it. [15:32] I was able to drop the cost of my ER visit to under $3K. Not great but better. [15:32] also, an illegal without a SS# or ID can just dodge any payment [15:32] ChristonIce, it wasn't bullshit when I had them ... ouch! [15:32] mond: I haven't paid taxes until now when I got on unemployment benefit. I was on student benefits before, which one doesn't pay taxes on. [15:32] * shane has joined #nonprophets [15:32] hey matt, this is shane from the health class email [15:32] Even if one illegal has had one visit to the ER, that costs the county or other body a couple of thousand. That alone is a detriment. Considering how many ilelgals there are, I don't feel that I need to provide a particular number when it's obvious that there is a cost [15:32] also, there's no insurance company profiting [15:32] sorry I didn't mention the clas [15:33] VAT? Other indiect taxation. [15:33] it is health 101 at my local communtiy college [15:33] it is an official college class for college credit [15:33] shane: pm him, makes it easier for him to keep track of what you're telling him [15:33] how? [15:33] /msg Non-Prophets [15:33] ChristOnIce: if one illegal visits the ER, that cost in nothing compared to the value they add to your economy [15:33] I;ve had 4 in 6 mos, rb. Total, the cost of care to the hospital is about $300 [15:34] joachim: that is compeltely wrong [15:34] go on [15:34] They don't add value to the economy. They decrease average income for an area which drains taxes as well as lowering spending [15:34] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CNdXeKL54g [15:34] they work, don't they? [15:34] oh, wait, you don't want them to [15:34] sorry. [15:34] They work for far less than legal immigrants. [15:34] for really chaep and mostly off the books [15:35] If only the people had the same motivation to take away tax-benefits from the church. [15:35] which means the net value added is even greater [15:35] If they came legally, then they would be paid more, overall wages would increase, and the economy would improve [15:35] no it's not [15:35] I agree, T.B. [15:35] yes it is [15:35] Speaking of bisexualism.. Hi! [15:35] msg non-prophets heh! [15:35] btw, you should just say "they took our jooobs" [15:35] shane: you forgot the / [15:35] the south park episode already spoke your cause [15:36] I work and pay income tax, that goes towards state spending. That is revenue that would be missing if an illegal worker did my job. [15:36] They took the jobs nobody fucking wanted. The open jobs that anybody could have taken. [15:36] and anyone can still take [15:36] Hooray! [15:36] free market [15:36] * omni has joined #nonprophets [15:36] ok, i am outta here. [15:36] See, this is where you look stupid. You still haven't mentioned a single point. You just stick you fingers in your ears and revert to childish boredom. I'm done with you [15:36] Yes damn it! [15:36] till next week all [15:36] ChristOnIce: thanks :) [15:36] Same here! [15:37] tomorrow ustrem? [15:37] yeah I guess [15:37] ustream [15:37] over and .. [15:37] * rudeboy has left #nonprophets [15:37] my points are on hold until you provide anything to support your claims [15:37] you couldn't have missed my requests [15:37] Ok [15:37] * omnikinesis has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [15:37] do your own research joachim [15:38] That's the end...how many trolls are still here? [15:38] Peace and love non-prophets. [15:38] you ahve the internet also [15:38] :) [15:38] good show, cya [15:38] LKL: no [15:38] Just Happy? [15:38] Good show guys, thanks for everything. :) [15:38] Good show, NP. [15:38] willful ignorance... [15:38] just me what? [15:38] * Urion has left #nonprophets [15:38] Welp, that was a great show - thanks :) [15:38] * ihedenius has left #nonprophets [15:38] Wheeeeeee [15:38] I'm out! [15:38] * Reviis has left #nonprophets [15:38] LKL: ever read a report? [15:38] Seems rude to call your fans "trolls". [15:38] * Thomas_Bolanos has quit IRC (ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]) [15:38] and now to stay idle in this chanel fforever :) [15:39] joachim like a book report? [15:39] Happy: forever until next show, yes. [15:39] nes report? [15:39] i've read many reports [15:39] * ShadowOfDoubt has quit IRC (ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]) [15:39] No need to idle...I re-registered it and have ownership now [15:39] Maybe happy is a real troll, big hair and all, [15:39] * Non-Prophets sets mode: -o debdrup [15:39] * Non-Prophets sets mode: -o Microbiologychick [15:39] did they sometimes make claims about facts and stuff that wasn't self-evident? [15:39] * sureup has quit IRC (sureup) [15:39] See you all later! [15:39] Non-Prophets: aww, I didn't get to keep my ops? :p [15:39] * Disconnected Session Close: Sat Jul 18 15:39:55 2009