Session Start: Sat Mar 29 13:58:52 2008 Session Ident: #nonprophets [13:58] * Now talking in #nonprophets [13:58] * Topic is 'Tune in to the next LIVE Non-Prophets show, Saturday, March 29th, 2007! at 3:00pm eastern (19:00 UTC) on http://www.nonprophetsradio.com, or visit the website for archived episodes.' [13:58] * Set by Non-Prophets on Sat Mar 22 16:58:37 [13:58] * ChanServ sets mode: +qo Non-Prophets Non-Prophets [13:59] -> *chanserv* topic #nonprophets Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern (19:00 UTC)! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information! [13:59] * ChanServ changes topic to 'Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern (19:00 UTC)! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information!' [13:59] Hola...almost ready [13:59] how do i listen again? [13:59] And I thought I was going to be late [13:59] with your ears [14:00] http://nonprophets.gotdns.org:8000/listen.pls [14:00] plug http://nonprophets.gotdns.org:8000/listen.pls into a media player [14:00] ouch! [14:00] I'm connectered now. [14:00] Episode 7.7. Woo vibes. [14:00] Stream is live and some folks are connecting now [14:00] hey, I'm connected [14:00] * EdSG has joined #nonprophets [14:00] Hail Matt [14:00] Starting in just a few [14:00] Hiya! [14:00] ilya - i can't get connected, either [14:02] musak! [14:02] got it [14:02] It's stopped now...almost ready [14:02] texas radio? [14:02] follkways? [14:02] 10 folks connected, I'll wait a few minutes to let some others connect and then we're starting [14:02] * NeutronJack has joined #nonprophets [14:02] -> *chanserv* topic #nonprophets The Non-Prophets are LIVE at http://www.nonprophetsradio.com. Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for show information. [14:02] * ChanServ changes topic to 'The Non-Prophets are LIVE at http://www.nonprophetsradio.com. Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for show information.' [14:02] Music! [14:02] yea! [14:03] Well, not too much music. [14:03] * jer has joined #nonprophets [14:03] nice [14:04] Listen to PZ Myers crash a phone conference (by calling just a few minutes later and politely waiting) with Expelled producers and moron ben stein. http://www.skepchick.org/pzexpelled.mp3 [14:05] Alright... Hello everybody! [14:05] Afternoon, EdSG! [14:05] Anybody got sound? [14:05] it's a miracle, NP is waiting for the listeners this week [14:05] no sound here [14:05] No sound here either.. [14:06] Sound! [14:06] sound [14:06] sound [14:06] ... oh, now there is, good [14:06] patience, you darn new atheists. [14:06] my favorite voice [14:07] is this the theme today, xtians lies [14:07] wow, I connected right when he said, "and we are the non-prophets" [14:07] awesome timing [14:07] Aye [14:07] postmodernism! :-) [14:07] What is this, "argument from quoting a bunch of esoteric sounding bullshit?" :) [14:08] That's what I'm going with [14:08] this intro is so confusing [14:08] "Doritos theory"? [14:08] hehehehe [14:08] this is great [14:09] how about non sequitur? [14:09] * NeutronJack is stunnified. [14:09] what? [14:10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaningless_statement [14:11] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Style_over_substance_fallacy [14:11] e.g. Some claim that statements about "the existence of God" are inherently meaningless. [14:12] heuristic : involving or serving as an aid to learning, discovery, or problem-solving by experimental and especially trial-and-error methods ; also : of or relating to exploratory problem-solving techniques that utilize self-educating techniques (as the evaluation of feedback) to improve performance [14:12] ooo ooo I know! [14:12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_nauseam [14:12] Heuristic is the first word in H.A.L. [14:12] um, no... [14:12] um, no..., what? [14:13] about the scientific method being an heuristic [14:14] I think [14:14] well, maybe [14:14] that was 50 seconds [14:14] I want my money back [14:15] April 6 lecturer: Charles Jackson [14:15] I agree--scientific method isn't a heuristic. [14:16] Hooray! Employment! [14:16] An heuristic is like a shortcut or a rule of thumb [14:16] like a chess playing program uses it so that you don't have to find a brute force solution for every possible position. [14:17] i.e. "pawns in the center are good" [14:17] Lots of equation-solving techniques are heuristics. They often work. [14:17] atheists love booze [14:17] thirsty thursday [14:17] i like to think of a chess game as real life... so i rape the other guy's pieces with my bishops [14:18] is that what you do in real life? [14:18] it's what real clergy do in real life [14:18] so who in the chatroom is part of the ACA? [14:18] god still hasn't smote anyone though [14:18] lol [14:18] besides Russell [14:19] he must not get the internets [14:19] guess nobody [14:19] i've never even been to austin [14:19] great city [14:20] been there once [14:22] thank god it's the sabbath [14:22] very great city, yes [14:23] thank thor it's thursday [14:23] thank wodin it's wednesday [14:23] ttit [14:24] * wwfsmd has joined #nonprophets [14:25] hey, just connected. Did anyone else listen to the entire conference call? I think PZ came off really bad. Mathis kept saying "this is their tactics" and PZ seemed to play right into the evil "big science" crap [14:25] PZ gave them a lot of ammunition for calling him militant and whatnot [14:27] Russell is right...I shouldn't have equated heuristic and algorithm, but it was the closest analogy I could come up with. I still think heuristic is the best word for what the initial discussion was about. Anyway...moving on. [14:28] TedInSaltLake: I say, "I'll put Christ back in Christmas when you put Thor back in Thursday, and Janus back in January." [14:28] * NeutronJack is an atheist with a moustache. [14:28] Amen [14:29] Well, every kid the pope's age was hitlerjugend, he's got enough to critisize about except for that (like being the highest up in the church pedophile thing) [14:29] Mustache here too! [14:29] and on Denis [14:30] Another thing the pope should know is how the nazis were not secular, he MUST have seen 'got mit uns' beltbuckles on SSers [14:30] it's like the trinity - by themselves they are insufficient together they reak fucking havoc [14:32] * Scooter has joined #nonprophets [14:33] * Scooter has left #nonprophets [14:33] just like some people connect american patriotism with faith [14:34] * MrEdd has joined #nonprophets [14:34] Someone tell me what I've missed. [14:34] Of course they had to emphasize the atheist portion of communism, anything to draw away the idea of anything socialism related [14:34] matt read the lottery numbers for tomorrow again [14:34] fuckity fuck [14:34] mredd you missed this http://www.skepchick.org/pzexpelled.mp3 [14:35] Ok.. I've read enough about that [14:35] * Targetta has quit IRC (Targetta) [14:36] yeah I posted that earlier [14:36] mredd that mp3 isnt about the actual event [14:36] it's about a conference call just yesterday [14:36] * Targetta has joined #nonprophets [14:37] * gmp has joined #nonprophets [14:38] I read about it on PZ's blog [14:38] This is a fucked up story. [14:38] stories like this make me wish there were a hell [14:38] this story about the girl dying made me so mad [14:39] so mad [14:39] the worst part: it happened AGAIN 2 days later [14:39] http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gVVkhOROBhtmO0erIagBCwlYOFpAD8VLSAV80 [14:39] 15 month old girl [14:40] Links to Norman Borlaug's Nobel speeches - makes a "religious" reference in his acceptance [14:40] http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1970/index.html [14:40] I didn't hear about that! Checking... [14:40] Then, by developing and applying the scientific and technological skills of the twentieth century for "the well-being of mankind throughout the world", he may still see Isaiah's prophesies come true: "... And the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose... And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water..."7 [14:41] the family who killed their 11 year old has 3 other kids too and they're still in that house [14:41] actually - that was from his Nobel lecture - not acceptance speech [14:41] gawd helps those that help themselves [14:42] ???? [14:42] That's just fucked up... [14:42] "Ignorantia juris non excusat" [14:44] What!?!? Resurrected!? No. Words. [14:45] Well, scientologists are atheists, and won't go to psychiatrists [14:45] man i'm glad i'm no longer an objectivist - those fuckers would be all, "kids are parasites!" [14:45] i actually think the cops and doctors are as liable for the death of this girl as the parents [14:46] but you can't force people to take medicine [14:46] legally [14:47] and why the cops? [14:47] maybe not the cops [14:47] Back to Borlaug, according to Wikipedia, he was raised in the Immanuel Norwegian Evangelical Lutheran Congregation , so he would know the bible. No reference to religion after that [14:48] i guess i'm thinking of the kids left in the home, when something happens to them, the cops who didn't take them out of the home are liabale [14:48] but not now [14:49] i don't know [14:49] but it sure is an argument for sterilization of christian scientists [14:50] Don't hold back Matt - let us know how you really feel [14:50] :) [14:50] * Marx_bro has joined #nonprophets [14:51] Going to church... He's been sentenced to torture [14:51] two years in jail - or church for 8 sundays? I think I could go to church [14:52] agreed [14:53] I would make my apartment a church [14:53] Well, i'd go to church too. Would they notice earplugs? [14:54] At 14 years, he was charged with first-degree murder pleaded guilty to voluntary manslaughter and terrorism. (I will ignore the use of “terrorism” charges in such cases). Hill was sentenced to 15 years in prison. [14:54] http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/22/iowa-judge-orders-criminal-to-church-in-another-abuse-of-creative-sentencing/ [14:54] http://www.qctimes.com/articles/2008/03/20/news/local/doc47e18a0290dec912417296.txt [14:56] * finn78 has joined #nonprophets [14:57] Bolaug's does refer to the famine and crop disease but states we should now be far wiser than Joseph "with the help of our Gods and our science". [14:58] @Non-Prophets...Can you post the link to this here so we can go back to it later [14:58] * Cheesy has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [14:58] where is this posted? [14:58] * Cheesy has joined #nonprophets [14:59] * finn78 has quit IRC (finn78) [14:59] fuckin eh! [14:59] my internet died just then. did i miss much? [14:59] This moron in Davenport, Iowa, hgets sentenced to church - while in nearby Dubuque, Iowa, a Chicago cop who was defending himself got five years in jail [14:59] http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/28/chicago.cop/index.html [14:59] thanks [15:00] http://www.mikemettedefensefund.com/home [15:02] godispretend --> Atheist Community of North Suburban Chicago [15:03] clearly pro science [15:03] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaGgpGLxLQw&eurl=http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/ [15:03] anyone out there in Portland, OR area? [15:03] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaGgpGLxLQw [15:03] right [15:03] It is genious! [15:03] if I could spell [15:04] it's a guy [15:04] http://www.cafepress.com/jumptees.216376528 [15:04] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaGgpGLxLQw [15:04] I'd don't think that's a girl's body, Matt. [15:04] doh [15:04] it's a guy's body [15:04] mredd beat me to it [15:04] i beat him [15:04] double doh [15:04] I wasn't really checking her out...him out...er, whatever. It was disturbing, no matter what [15:04] i won damnnit! [15:05] fair enough [15:05] :-| < --- need tech support? Waht appto use for audio feed? Windows media no-like.. [15:05] * Targetta has quit IRC (Targetta) [15:05] iTunes [15:05] try winamp [15:05] winamp [15:05] Thx! [15:05] NOT quicktime [15:07] jusr cc us everything from now on [15:07] the Atheist Blogroll created by mojoey.blogspot.com has gone pass 600 members now [15:07] ya how do i get in on that? [15:07] email mojoey with your blog and and a request [15:07] sweet [15:10] http://mojoey.blogspot.com/2006/09/join-mojoeys-atheist-blogroll.html [15:10] mojoey@gmail.com [15:11] y'all should have seen the empty pews at the mormon church i visited last week - religion is on the wane [15:12] that reminds me, i got list on mojoeys blogroll last week and i need to add his feed and logo to my blog [15:13] * Marx_bro has quit IRC (Marx_bro) [15:14] there would be a rebelion if we outlawed religion [15:14] they would kill us [15:14] religion is its own death [15:15] Hey cool, "letting go of god" got into the seattle film festival. http://juliasweeney.blogspot.com/2008/03/letting-go-of-god-got-into-seattle-film.html [15:16] i didn't know she made a movie until yesterday, i can't wait to see it [15:17] oh, great, thanks for the info :-) [15:17] I'm in my feed reader right now, skimming hte newz [15:19] plenty of personalities out there will trade the chance of getting killed for the thrill of combat [15:20] Aerik, do you use google reader [15:20] yup [15:20] what is your shared itme's link [15:20] items [15:21] here's mine [15:21] http://www.google.com/reader/shared/13375099530446017998 [15:21] Ha! [15:21] http://www.google.com/reader/shared/user/00940821889116114205/state/com.google/broadcast [15:22] cool [15:22] I put the widget on my blog [15:22] i need to remember to star/share items though [15:24] where is your blog [15:25] http://thescienceethicist.blogspot.com/? [15:26] * ilya has quit IRC (ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.13/2008031114]) [15:27] yeah [15:27] I ugess I shouldv'e said so ^_^ [15:27] Nat Henthoff, columnist for the Village Voice and an atheist, is very pro-life [15:28] no prob, i googled "aerik blog" and it was number 2 [15:28] evnagelicals were not upset with Roe v Wade initially - only the catholics, the fundies joined later [15:28] ew. Who's first? [15:28] "profile of aerik - blog flux" [15:28] probably also me [15:29] But maybe instead this 'aerik vaughn' guy [15:29] if you search "onlyAerik" that's definitely me [15:30] atheist pro-choice doctrine by Hentoff - http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~rauch/nvp/hentoff.html [15:30] I mean atheist pro-life [15:31] My sister has a secular reason for opposing gay marriage. [15:32] * NeutronJack likes "actively acting". [15:32] She is a right wing atheist [15:33] not the same tax breaks [15:33] * NeutronJack drinks! [15:33] two drink episode? [15:33] * Scooter has joined #nonprophets [15:33] explain that one mredd [15:33] * Scooter has left #nonprophets [15:34] i'm throwing up now [15:35] She is against gay marriage because it would raise taxes for everyone else. I didn't say it was a valid reason. [15:35] * Aerik blinks twice hard. [15:35] So, she would have been against mixed-race marriage, back when it was illegal. She just opposes any MORE marriage. [15:35] by that logic, she should be against heterosexual marriage too [15:36] It pissed me off when she said that so I haven't asked for clarification. [15:36] I have more respect for the religious side of the argument [15:37] whatever happened to gays knowing that marriage is for saps? [15:37] masochism [15:39] You should do it anyways [15:40] 51? [15:40] ah, the show is over [15:40] 4 minutes ago I thought I was gonna have diahhrea but I helds it in [15:41] lovely [15:41] hahaha [15:41] lol [15:41] * jer has quit IRC (jer) [15:41] Good show, NP! [15:41] brb then [15:41] * Scooter has joined #nonprophets [15:41] Good luck [15:41] don't fall in [15:41] * gmp has left #nonprophets [15:41] Welcome scooter.. to the end [15:42] * Scooter has left #nonprophets [15:42] Well guys, laters! [15:42] * EdSG has quit IRC (ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.13/2008031114]) [15:43] * NeutronJack has left #nonprophets [15:44] * MrEdd has quit IRC [15:44] see you folks [15:44] * Kazim has quit IRC (ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 3.0b4/2008030714]) [15:44] see you in 2 weeks [15:44] * Cheesy has quit IRC (ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.13/2008031114]) [15:44] CU! [15:44] * konradius has quit IRC (ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.13/2008031114]) [15:45] * occupant has quit IRC [15:45] * wwfsmd has quit IRC (ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.13/2008032514]) [15:45] * Scooter has joined #nonprophets [15:46] * Scooter has quit IRC (Scooter) [15:46] * Reviis has quit IRC [15:49] were you here today r3d3? [15:49] yes [15:49] Thought so. Who else is actually still at their pooter? [15:51] * Aerik has left #nonprophets [15:52] -> *chanserv* topic #nonprophets Tune in to the next LIVE Non-Prophets show, Saturday, April 12th, 2007! at 3:00pm eastern (19:00 UTC) on http://www.nonprophetsradio.com, or visit the website for archived episodes. [15:52] * ChanServ changes topic to 'Tune in to the next LIVE Non-Prophets show, Saturday, April 12th, 2007! at 3:00pm eastern (19:00 UTC) on http://www.nonprophetsradio.com, or visit the website for archived episodes.' [15:53] * Disconnected Session Close: Sat Mar 29 15:53:57 2008