Session Start: Sat Mar 01 13:54:33 2008 Session Ident: #nonprophets [13:54] * Now talking in #nonprophets [13:54] * Topic is 'Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern (19:00 UTC)! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information!' [13:54] * Set by Non-Prophets on Sat Feb 16 13:48:57 [13:54] heh no and yes [13:54] * ChanServ sets mode: +oq Non-Prophets Non-Prophets [13:54] NPs! [13:54] Crank up that victrola [13:55] * TedInSaltLake has quit IRC (TedInSaltLake) [13:55] and he took the lake with him [13:55] -> *chanserv* topic #nonprophets The Non-Prophets are LIVE at http://www.nonprophetsradio.com. Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for show information. [13:55] * ChanServ changes topic to 'The Non-Prophets are LIVE at http://www.nonprophetsradio.com. Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for show information. (Non-Prophets)' [13:55] So something got royally mashed up in the gear box that runs the chain drive [13:56] Everything else is fine, but the gear box is sealed and I cannot figure out how, or if Ican even open it [13:56] looks like I shall have to resort to professionals [13:56] * NeutronJack has joined #nonprophets [13:56] large sledgehammer tends to solve such problems [13:57] I'd kinda like to fix it, though your suggestion is awfully tempting [13:57] It raises the Beavis in me [13:57] FIre! Fire! Destroy! [13:57] See what I mean? [13:58] yes.. destructo mode is very tempting. you may be able to open it without completely destroying it that way. [13:58] any feed yet? [13:58] * canadian_hoser has joined #nonprophets [13:58] haven't checked... still listening to 1.FM [13:58] * TedInSaltLake has joined #nonprophets [13:58] haven't seen one yet on my end [13:58] Heyk, Canada checking in [13:58] Connected, but no audio. [13:59] resurrecTED [13:59] NJ! [13:59] Ruuuuuuuuuuudeboy! [13:59] yo ted [13:59] * WoodrowWoodpecker has joined #nonprophets [13:59] heh. another quiet day here. Fog rolled in today [13:59] Woody? [13:59] where you at, rude b? [14:00] Does walter Lance know you're in here? [14:00] I'm in L.A. [14:00] Nobody walks in L.A. [14:00] Ok....quick notes [14:00] Yes, there's a show...starting soon [14:01] * witchbaby has joined #nonprophets [14:01] True. At least, that's what Dale Bossio keeps singing [14:01] * hedenius has joined #nonprophets [14:01] I've been having difficulties with my internet connection today. If the stream stops, I apologize, but we'll keep going and keep recording and I'll try to get it posted by tomorrow. [14:01] i guess im not the only cdn here today [14:01] Jenn suggests a sledgehammer [14:02] * malzraa has joined #nonprophets [14:02] lol [14:02] wooo [14:02] more canadians [14:02] make that computer know who's boss [14:02] Howdy all. [14:02] meto, eh [14:02] Hey, Juju. [14:02] Canadians are taking over. Must be the exchange rate..... [14:02] Have you given your heart to Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior yet? [14:02] We will crush you with our jack-snowshoes [14:02] I hear that's the thing to do.. [14:02] i think we're all invading so we can vote... at least i am [14:03] I've given my fart over to Satan. He kinda liked the smell [14:03] We USA types have done a piss-poor job of voting, lately. Please help us. [14:03] being at work sucks [14:03] can't listen [14:03] just pretend you're working. [14:03] will do, who would you lie me to vote for [14:03] hell, what do you think I am doing right now [14:03] you can be on irc but you can't listen? :P [14:03] FDR [14:04] vote quimby [14:04] canadian_hoser: It's a simple algorithm: No, Republicans, EVER. [14:04] customers would hear ;) [14:04] vote progressive [14:04] headphones? [14:04] Music! [14:04] sound ... [14:04] not even huckabee? [14:04] so what d'you guys think of the McCain / Hagee thing? anything gonna come of that at all? [14:04] * rudeboy switches over to new stream [14:04] yeah, but I have to be able to pick up the phone [14:04] What's a Hagee? [14:04] What new stream? [14:04] new stream? [14:04] a Hagee is a bottom-feeding reptile [14:04] I was listening to 1.FM [14:05] Whatever that is. [14:05] Now I'm on NP [14:05] where do you work malzraa [14:05] did the stream cut out or was that just a test... [14:05] Electronic component store [14:05] just a music stream, something to sooth the savage beast within me [14:05] do we get a prize for connecting early? [14:05] nope stream is counting [14:05] I sell resistors and such [14:05] just to audio [14:05] ah [14:05] here we go [14:05] I got test test test over Winamp [14:05] test [14:05] yep [14:06] jenn, can you hear the audio? [14:06] Mike check, How about a Bob check? [14:06] yep. got it [14:06] AHHH! [14:06] a Scotsman! [14:06] * NeutronJack takes a drink. [14:06] me and jenn, NP virgins [14:06] Rules for drinking: [14:07] NP-complete virgins [14:07] 1) Whenever they attempt a non-USA accent. [14:07] ah, disconnected concepts [14:07] 2) Whenever "asshat" is uttered. [14:07] oops [14:07] BRB [14:07] NP live - virgins [14:07] i better grab another drink. [14:08] you NP virgins and your inability to be easily evaluated by Turing machines! [14:08] i got no ice, consarnit! [14:08] aboot time [14:08] heh [14:08] Canadians ALWAYS have ice [14:08] there is most likely some dirty snow in your parking area... [14:08] indeed there is [14:08] Ice is my constant [14:09] * blat has joined #nonprophets [14:09] TedInSaltLake will lose his title as primo-ice-manager after today [14:09] nj, about time more rules were added, asshats have been few and far betwee [14:09] +n [14:09] I only have ice for you.... [14:09] pah! [14:09] * rudeboy expects a rating from that one [14:10] pah = topnotch on the ted scale [14:10] heh [14:10] I'm a Non-Loss [14:10] no profits last year [14:11] prank call time [14:11] * yasic has joined #nonprophets [14:11] hi [14:11] hey [14:11] The show is on right now, right? [14:12] yes [14:12] I am guessing there is no way to actually listen to it anymore [14:12] got on too late? [14:12] http://nonprophets.gotdns.org:8000/listen.pls [14:12] "The Middle Way". [14:12] Load it into itunes or winamp [14:12] That wasn't too bad! [14:12] is it live? [14:12] yes [14:12] wow yay [14:12] they ust started [14:13] yes I know, I had trouble with the internet so I got on so late [14:13] uh... what was the question again? [14:13] is there a setting on itunes so i'm not hogging bandwidth? [14:13] welcome back [14:13] news please? [14:13] In itunes, go to Advanced, Open stream, paste in the URL [14:14] why do you only do it bi-weekly? [14:14] then just hit enter [14:14] k [14:14] ah Club Unemployed [14:15] Don't be hip with the kids. [14:15] Who on here is on air or in the studio? [14:15] That club is rapidly growing thanks to Bushie and his marching morons [14:15] only 10 months of bush left [14:15] One of those clips is how I found this [14:16] nice. [14:16] I am assuming the clip they are talking about is the guy who wants to know how we have energy when the sun goes down ;) right? [14:16] no [14:16] BUT HOW CAN YOU SHOWER?!!! [14:16] dang :( [14:16] lol [14:16] but its like first on the youtube search [14:16] haha [14:17] that was a lol X 10^10000 [14:17] segue to mail..... [14:17] how DO we have energy? [14:17] we're powered by the holy spirit [14:17] coupla cheeseburgers give me tons of evergy [14:17] * NeutronJack uses M&M's. [14:18] If you guys need such a website, I am the person to go to ;) [14:18] ? [14:18] I think they're talking about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs3RKZjSzYg ? [14:18] punch your face in for Jesus [14:18] when i heard that part of the Atheist Experience, all i could think of was the end of "Talk Radio" [14:19] feel that xian love [14:20] feel it on your face [14:21] he left out the rest of the animal and plant kingdoms [14:21] there are men and monkeys.... [14:21] Jeeezuz, what an asshat [14:21] actually there are 5 kingdoms [14:21] nj, does that count? :) [14:21] in case you did not see the clip we were talking about on the chat (not the one discussed on the show) http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZLG-XYuB-Mc [14:22] In chat? No way. [14:22] damn [14:23] ... and 9 levels of hell, yeah, I know [14:24] smoke pot, you don't have to get up [14:24] yeah especially when you get lung cancer at the ripe old age of 35 [14:25] yeah that, too [14:25] ok fine, eat pot [14:25] mr cancer pants [14:25] pot is a lot safer than tobacco [14:25] pub crawl with parking tips? [14:25] no it's not [14:25] its safer than alchol, but I am not sure its safer than tobacco [14:25] grow more pot -- Jello Biafra [14:26] not many smoke 25 joints a day [14:26] if it was legal it would be cheap enough to bake with-spare your lungs [14:26] lungs schmungs [14:27] * r3d3 takes a drink [14:28] anyone else floored by B Stein and the whacky direction he went in? [14:28] no [14:28] I was floored [14:29] not really [14:29] what does 'floored' mean? [14:29] he was nixon's speechwriter, so no [14:29] I didn't realize he was that crazy [14:29] floored=flabbergasted, astonished, befuddled [14:29] when his name came up i thought he'd be on our side [14:29] perhaps he is not crazy but just wants cash and knows how to get some? [14:29] thanks neutron [14:29] He's crazy [14:29] Just a quick question: who in here is not from texas? [14:29] Me [14:29] Uncommon descent erased an entire thread then the debate with PZ Myers went so bad their own people dissed them [14:29] me [14:30] me [14:30] Me- Canada [14:30] definitely not from texas [14:30] * NeutronJack is in Colorado [14:30] me [14:30] ok, good enough :) [14:30] hovering over Texas [14:30] .... ok, is anyone here from texas? [14:30] from Wyoming [14:30] * rudeboy listens to the crickets [14:30] heh [14:30] wow interesting [14:31] are we statistics now? [14:33] * malzraa has quit IRC (malzraa) [14:33] what should i wear at the Expelled premiere? [14:34] where's the data? [14:34] LOL [14:34] http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_movies_blog/2008/02/is-ben-stein-th.html [14:34] i'm thinking 14th century monk getup [14:35] Ha! I was going to suggest something similar. lol. [14:35] perhaps a bishop outfit? Might even go the whole way and go Pope [14:36] one of them whips? [14:36] what's it called, flaggelating? [14:37] prime moment in human history [14:37] fractally wrong [14:37] shit [14:38] * insto2 has joined #nonprophets [14:39] the pope flaggelate the First? [14:39] * insto2 has quit IRC (insto2) [14:39] He'll whip them into shape [14:39] bah haahahhahahahazha [14:39] i'll be drinking to the term fractally wrong, TedInSaltLake [14:39] dang, i hit the hibernate button with my toe :P [14:40] ADF for about five minutes [14:40] AFK [14:40] hope i didn't miss anything good [14:40] if there isn't a god, how did we come up with such a perfect term like "fractally wrong?" [14:41] * ouini has joined #nonprophets [14:44] and now i lost the feed [14:45] still running for me [14:45] church? [14:45] go skiing please [14:46] oh wait, you're in texa [14:46] s [14:47] * accura2k has quit IRC (Leaving) [14:47] neil peart: fractally wrong drumming [14:47] what [14:47] you take that back [14:48] take it back right now [14:48] just stirring the sheeeatt [14:49] are we drinking to fractal wrongness? [14:49] New rule: drink whenever "fractal wrongness" is invoked. [14:49] my liver is dead [14:49] i've been abiding by that one thus far [14:49] fractally drinking [14:50] i'm opening a bar called Fractally Drinking [14:50] The second argument is not fractally wrong [14:51] it is indeed true that if a million years ago the earth was moving much much much faster than today, it would indeed fly out of orbit [14:51] yes [14:51] it would fly out to its current orbit [14:51] huh [14:51] if it was going fast enough, it will fly out of orbit totally [14:52] wha [14:52] if it was going faster in the past, it msot likely means that it was just in a smaller orbit [14:52] closer to the sun [14:52] and eventually spiralled out to where it is today [14:52] it did what it did, duh [14:53] goddidit [14:53] there are speeds such that if its going fast enough, any orbit larger than the radius of the sun will be escaped [14:53] god created the earth first and then the sun [14:53] thus it would have to be orbiting the sun... inside the sun to not fly away :P [14:53] but it is currently in this orbit [14:53] therefore it could not have been going that fast [14:54] yes... unless the earth is not millions of years old [14:54] or so the argument goes [14:54] all that changes is the rate at which it receded from the sun [14:54] it still could not have been going fast enough to escape [14:54] the art of debating well; don't show up [14:54] fundies hve no concept of astrophysics [14:54] essentially the argument given is "if the earth was going faster in the past, it would have been too close for life, the earth has life on it right now, therefore the earth was not moving faster in the past" [14:55] * insto has left #nonprophets [14:55] I'm so confused [14:55] ok, the point is the fundy made the mistake of assuming that the earth is slowing down in its orbit very much [14:55] if this was not a mistake, and if we can assume that this has been going on for all time [14:56] he would be correct in saying that the earth could not be millions of years old. [14:56] the earth was covered in a layer of floating ice in the past, so it's ok if it was closer [14:56] However his first premise is wrong, hence the argument as a whole follows [14:56] * NeutronJack really recognizes the phrase "attempt to have a conversation" [14:57] another question for people who are on here alot: [14:57] do the speakers come onto chat after the show? [14:58] sometimes [14:58] they're here right now [14:58] * r3d3 points at Non-Prophets [14:58] but they are not actually talking with us [14:58] I mean come on here to chat [14:59] after the show, sometimes [14:59] * yasic is now known as test [14:59] * test is now known as yasic2 [15:00] If the results in past changed, how would you know? [15:01] you would not [15:01] but God would [15:01] and that's all that matters [15:01] * yasic has joined #nonprophets [15:01] ok, much better [15:02] * yasic2 has quit IRC (yasic2) [15:02] Hey Russell here, just typing to prove that I was in fact peeking in the chat room. [15:03] We used to have one guy manning the chat room a lot; used to be me and later it was Matt. [15:03] How does this prove that you were peeking? You might just type this blind. [15:03] Very nice [15:03] or you might have not been peaking but just started now [15:03] Unfortunately, actually doing the chat live makes it hard to follow what's going on. [15:03] now that is a stat i like the sound of. thank you NP for that. [15:03] this is not sufficient evidence to believe that you watch the channel [15:03] Well, this is the first time today that I've watched it. [15:03] pew pew lazerz! [15:03] :o [15:04] our gods have abandoned us [15:04] Will you be on here after the show? [15:04] Usually not... you can email though. [15:04] I tried that, you guys don't reply [15:04] Oh [15:04] they get a ton of email [15:04] Sorry about that... :( High volume. [15:04] Islam on the rise: great moogily moogily [15:04] I guess that was a bad suggestion [15:04] I dont know if you thought my email was not reply-worthy, or if it did not get past spam filters [15:05] Evolution! [15:05] I am trying to literally buy you to come here, and I cant get through :P [15:05] Hmmm... send that one more time and I will try to remember to reply or bring it to someonee's attention. [15:05] Okay? [15:05] Aren't you supposed to put 'npr' in the subject of the e-mail? [15:05] I believe that they're trying to edit down the Hadiths, which is the non-Koranic "folklore" texts. [15:05] I put all types of things [15:05] ok sending [15:05] that helps, yeah, but there's a lot we can't answer. [15:06] I thought you were supposed to put "naked pics" in the subject [15:06] I mean from a time management perspective [15:06] stepping away now... [15:06] Quick, everyone talk about Russell. [15:07] sent [15:07] it came from sayasic@gmail.com if you have a search feature [15:08] We know that you HATE US. [15:09] Matt here...I talked to you (Yasic) on AE and in e-mail. What didn't get answered? [15:09] I am a representative of Penn State Athesit Agnostic Association [15:09] Aye, I'm aware of that :) [15:09] I am wondering what it would take to get a few of you to come visit us ;) [15:10] In what context? Just come up and hang, or come up to give a lecture, or what? [15:10] expensive prospect, no? [15:10] that should not be an issue [15:11] We are thinging about possibly have a lecture or as my friend suggested a 'pannel discussion' [15:11] * San has joined #nonprophets [15:11] where we may have some people come in to ask questions or we can do many other events, we are usually very felxible [15:11] If you guys are covering the expense, I'm sure that we could do something. I'm willing to come up - I'm not sure who else would be. [15:12] in addition, we will have some time to just 'hang and have fun' such as go to our own 'Ihop' or 'el arroyo'(sp?) [15:12] been there, done that at the university of utah, like five people were in the audience [15:13] We are the second largest university in the world, I think we can round up a few people. [15:13] 45 thousand under-grad students on our campus alone [15:14] * San has quit IRC (San) [15:14] ours only has 25,000 [15:14] Which university is yours? [15:14] University of Alberta [15:14] kk [15:14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_largest_universities lists Penn State as 40th largest. [15:14] * SanDiegoJamie has joined #nonprophets [15:15] I'd be willing to come up for a panel discussion or lecture (I'm not sure that I'm the best choice, but I'm willing). Just figure out what you want to do and when you'd like to do it. As long as there isn't any out-of-pocket expense for me and assuming I don't find a new job that conflicts in the interim, I should be able to attend. [15:15] Howdy. Sorry I missed most of the show, but I'll get the podcast. [15:17] I can send send some more information and discuss exactly what we should do and the timeframe for it, I just need to have an open communication channel to do so. [15:17] sans_deity@yahoo.com [15:18] "I didn't either" -- good one, Matt. [15:19] Put me to sleep... [15:19] "that cartoon" is http://xkcd.com/386/ [15:19] Thank you [15:20] Remember, always hover your cursor over the xkcd cartoon for an extra pop-up. [15:20] yasic, can you record the panel and put it on google video? [15:20] I think thats very doable [15:21] great! [15:22] It will also not necessarly be a panel, but whatever it is, it should get recorded. [15:22] * NeutronJack drinks! [15:22] Assuming they are fine with recording it obviously, though judgeing by what they do with their free time I do not think this should be too much an issue. [15:23] I don't have any objections to that...just don't ask me to watch it. :) [15:24] Don't just surround yourself with smart people: watch smart people. I gained quite a few nice pointers from the show [15:24] I was inspired to read the bible, thans Matt [15:25] more religion = more abortions [15:26] Nope, can't hear it. [15:28] hypothesis: + Limbaugh listeners = + abortions [15:28] is that Oxicontin abuser still on the air? [15:29] yah [15:29] I've been debating friends and they keep saying that since I haven't fully read teh Bible, I can't criticize it. So...I started reading it a week ago, and I barely can get through Genesis. [15:29] stronger than ever, ratings wise [15:29] All the so-called conservative talk shows are down in the ratings. [15:29] CAGE MATCH! [15:29] that is the ig dark secret [15:29] It's so much more horrible than I rememebr it. [15:30] wine that moveith? [15:30] I go reguloarly every day [15:30] can't get past Genesis? try Deuteronomy [15:30] ugh [15:30] Jeezuz was a constipated carpenter? [15:30] Get past in terms of bordom or in terms of horror? [15:31] Well, then, translate it to English as it's spoken NOW! [15:31] It's painful reading, but I'm trying to neutralize the only argument I keep getting. [15:31] wait until you get to Deuteronomy [15:31] Dootie-ronnomy? [15:31] horror first, them infinite boredom [15:31] I find genesis quite amusing to read [15:31] Oh yeah. Well thanks to the Gideons who visited a Courtyard By Marriott, I've got myself a nice new bible. [15:32] its the geneologies that get me [15:32] There's only one 'r' in "borogoves". [15:32] Marriott! [15:32] It is not "borogroves". [15:32] I prefer to read the I Dream of Jeannieologies [15:32] it is a pretty bad book, my impression of god is that he is a blood thirsty monster [15:32] I skip the geneologies completely [15:32]