Session Start: Sat Mar 24 12:35:17 2007 Session Ident: #nonprophets [12:35] * Now talking in #nonprophets [12:35] * Topic is 'Tune in to the next LIVE Non-Prophets show, Saturday, March 24th, 2007! at 3:00pm eastern (19:00 UTC) on http://www.nonprophetsradio.com, or visit the website for archived episodes.' [12:35] * Set by Non-Prophets on Sat Mar 10 16:40:25 [12:35] * ChanServ sets mode: +oq Non-Prophets Non-Prophets [12:35] -> *chanserv* topic #nonprophets Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern (19:00 UTC)! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information! [12:35] * ChanServ changes topic to 'Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern (19:00 UTC)! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information! (Non-Prophets)' [12:37] * shellwen has left #nonprophets [12:48] * shellwen_innocence has joined #nonprophets [12:48] * shellwen_innocence is now known as shellwen [12:50] ... did you guys get my email by chance? [12:50] just wondering [12:53] That depends...who are you, and what did you send? ;) [12:53] i'm shellwen and i sent an email with the subject "npr 'lo again" [12:54] Yup, I just got it [12:54] nifty [12:55] I just finished the first audio check...You should be able to connect and listen to the Stones. I'm semi-AFK while I sort out mail and misc stuff for the show. [12:56] good stuff [13:16] * Armando has joined #nonprophets [13:17] hello [13:19] is there a show today? [13:21] aye there is [13:22] awesome [13:36] * rudeboy has joined #nonprophets [13:36] well.... [13:37] a deep hole in the ground [13:37] crappola, I have to take a shower like straightaway [13:37] AFK - taking a shower [13:38] welcome rudeboy [13:38] ty ... showering now [13:38] Anyone subscribe to Time magazine? [13:48] * Aerik has joined #nonprophets [13:48] :P [13:48] Welcome [13:48] Hi Armando [13:49] i forgot how to send pms [13:50] " /msg message" [13:50] ahh thanks [13:52] There is a show in 10 min. right? [13:53] I hope so... [13:54] They were testing just a few [13:54] minutes ago [13:54] and now I hear nothing [13:54] not even static [13:54] I'm getting some wacky buffering. [13:54] ahh, there [13:55] I had to reset my connection [13:55] good old static [13:55] We'll be starting soon... [13:55] awesome [13:55] My buffer is going from 0 to 100% really fast, but just in a continuous loop. [13:55] mine zeroed out and I had to restart [13:56] * Dustmundo has joined #nonprophets [13:56] Welcome [13:56] Hi [13:56] * Omorpheus has joined #nonprophets [13:56] It has been a long time since I was able to listen live:)) [13:56] Now this is starting to look like an IRC chatroom :D [13:57] My winamp is also listing the title information in an infinite loop [13:57] Same here. [13:57] Last time was October [13:57] * ColoradoAtheist has joined #nonprophets [13:57] Welcome [13:57] (Non-Propphets - Episode 6.6)(Non-Propphets - Episode 6.6)(Non-Propphets - Episode 6.6)(Non-Propphets - Episode 6.6)(Non-Propphets - Episode 6.6)(Non-Propphets - Episode 6.6)(Non-Propphets - Episode 6.6) [13:57] O_ o [13:58] Yes, I'm not sure why that's happening... [13:58] Oh yeah, I'm getting the same here [13:58] hey all [13:58] hmm okay now I'm still gettin the wacky buffer and wacky title info, but a clear, smooth sound from you guys. [13:59] I hear nothing from them [13:59] Ahh [13:59] here we go [13:59] now I hear music [13:59] yup [13:59] it's on [13:59] * rudeboy towels off [13:59] Sweetness [13:59] * zippyapparition has joined #nonprophets [14:00] Yeehaw! [14:00] excuse me, again, gotta dry my hair, what there is of it [14:00] * whosawhatsis has joined #nonprophets [14:00] * scarlett has joined #nonprophets [14:00] Hey Dennis, Russ, Matt [14:00] and it's cold, raining, and snowing in Colorado [14:01] It's hot here in Florida... it's always hot. [14:01] * Aerik waves hi to Scarlett [14:01] I was there a couple of weeks ago on business, it was actually a bit cool [14:02] hi [14:02] 4 via chat I met an atheist who lives in Austin but has never bothered to visit you guys at threadgills or anything. [14:02] * Dave63 has joined #nonprophets [14:02] Nice [14:02] so am I no longer a loser because I'm finally able to listen live? [14:02] LOL [14:03] Exactly! [14:04] * ethan2 has joined #nonprophets [14:04] There's an article on Time this week about Bible Literacy classes in public schools. [14:04] what's that? Teaching people who believe the bible how to read? [14:05] If they're going to teach bible literacy, they should teach qur'an literacy, and hindu literacy, and buddha literacy, and pagan literacy [14:05] [14:05] Actually, kind of :p [14:05] how about just freakin' teaching literacy? [14:05] exactly [14:05] * etuxr has joined #nonprophets [14:05] * NeutronJack has joined #nonprophets [14:05] Well, I have to agree with the author on one point. It has been a big influence in western culture, both positive and negative [14:05] teaching people who believe in the bible to read will only result in more atheists [14:05] whats up peoples [14:06] ya that time edition im an athiest becuse of the bible [14:06] 4 Rosie O'Donnel the musical -- can only improved if it includes a focus on "Riding the Bus with My Sister" [14:07] yes, it has been a positive and negative influence. I think it's fine in college where it's an elective or even an elective in high school, but there is a bunch of other things like SCIENCE that we could use more of in Colorado anyhow [14:07] etuxr that particular essay can be found at http://ebonmusings.org/atheism/index.html -- near the bottom [14:07] science is a class that hurting [14:07] His idea is that if its approached correctly (meaning not preached) as a history and culture class, it could work. [14:07] * SoHelpMeDarwin has joined #nonprophets [14:07] Not rly... [14:08] I would take it if I was still in high school... and I was an atheist back then too [14:08] this year my highschool is losing 3 science teachers and i dont know how they will recover [14:08] wow...that's quite the stock drop [14:08] Damn [14:08] The bible is not a text book, Armando. If you want to teach about Western Civilization -- you teach fucking Western Civilization [14:08] Ha ha! [14:08] the problem is, the teacher could approach it that way but there is no way in hell all of the students would realize that it's a class in critical thought (possibly) rather than a biblical literalist class [14:09] I was tempted to buy that game but I'll wait until it ends up in the bargain bin [14:09] 2 bio teachers and a math/engineering teacher [14:09] The sequel: Left Behinder! [14:09] the problem is those teachers could be guys like Ken Ham and William Dembski [14:10] "demo" graphics... you mean "Republico" graphics [14:10] * ethan2 has quit IRC (Client exited) [14:10] * KaylaKaze has joined #nonprophets [14:11] Oh of course... becuase atheists exist to boost the product sales of x-ians [14:11] lol [14:11] I still want to walk into a X-Tian bookstore and ask for a copy of the Quran [14:11] just for the visual effect [14:12] lol [14:12] You'llget stoned on the spot [14:12] maybe I'll get stoned first ;) [14:12] LOL [14:12] it puts a little bug in your computer that makes it boot up with a new Bible verse every morning [14:12] Ahhhhhhhhh [14:12] I would ask for a copy of the Satan Bible [14:12] shaking the dust from your feet isn't as cool without a Wii [14:12] or even The God Delusion [14:12] I wonder if it would be worse to ask for the Quran or Atheist material [14:12] that could be like Christian DDR ("Shake the Dust From Your Feet") [14:13] breaking story -- I'm breaking wind [14:14] 4 the 6th graders voted on it -- since when are facts democratic? [14:15] don't you watch Colbert? [14:15] yeah [14:15] * NeutronJack has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [14:15] uh [14:15] 6th graders? [14:15] damn, I have a huge delay [14:15] woot 6th graders [14:16] Heh [14:16] so... kids with a higher IQ tahn Bush... okay [14:16] * NeutronJack has joined #nonprophets [14:16] It's not hard to beat 42 [14:16] Longmont, CO? [14:16] * GMP has joined #nonprophets [14:16] dude, my little toe has a higher IQ than that dipshit [14:16] IQ is measured realative to your age so most are probly still dumber [14:16] :D [14:16] lol [14:17] 50% of all people are below average IQ. always. [14:17] 42 is retarded at any age, lol [14:17] My big toe is still on the fence [14:17] yes, it was Longmont Colorado [14:17] PZ did a thinon the guy in longmont [14:17] let me guess, a well-to-d- neighborhood [14:17] hahaha [14:17] well-to-do [14:17] its still relative though ist mental age over actual age X 100 [14:17] ie RICH [14:17] not so much [14:17] I went to Freethought Radio - it lists your show, the link is to nonprophetsradio.com [14:17] upper middle class maybe [14:17] it's* [14:18] * NeutronJack is about 20mi N of Longmont, in FC. [14:18] that's rich [14:18] yea, I suppose [14:18] * away|hamandcheese is now known as hamandcheese [14:18] by my measurements anyway [14:18] course, I'm biased... heh [14:18] * ColoradoAtheist is in Black Forest, 10mi NE of Colorado Springs [14:18] Damn brits and their charm [14:18] hahaha [14:19] "I'm British, therefore everthing I say is true." [14:19] yes, but you must say it with an accent [14:19] ColoSprings? Oh, I'm sorry. [14:19] 4 It's pronounced "Phil Plate" and it's badastronomy.COM [14:19] question is what, if anything, can we do about global warming. Earth has been much warmer in the past. We may just have to live with it [14:19] * shellwen has left #nonprophets [14:20] Penn got cancelled? huh [14:20] Huh? [14:20] When? [14:20] yeah. apparently one hour every day is too little [14:20] He cancelled himself, as I understand it. [14:20] like 2 or 3 weeks ago [14:20] ah [14:20] Wait, his radio show or his BS show? [14:20] NeutronJack, don't be sorry [14:20] Penn was cancelled. :( [14:20] it's fun to live down here sometimes [14:20] oh [14:20] pennradio at freefm cancelled [14:20] No. BS is going into another season [14:20] I knew about his radio show. [14:20] His radio show. [14:20] i never found his show interesting [14:20] Whew. [14:20] I love BS [14:21] BS is supposed to start again soon, no? [14:21] dont we all [14:21] BS new season started 2 nights ago [14:21] I loved his radio show. [14:21] Last radio show was March 2 - you can still get the podcast [14:21] but that's why I live outside of Colorado Springs - though it is fun to post to the CS Gazette discussion boards some days [14:21] I don't have Cinemax [14:21] :( [14:21] showtime [14:21] or showtime [14:21] whatever it is [14:21] My mom recently got showtime. We made her watch Penn&Teller Bullshit! We eased her into it by making the first episode the "crazy cat people" episode [14:21] I cannot afford it [14:21] same here [14:21] I did watch some of the old shows on winamp for free.. [14:22] I'm not willing to purchase a channel for one show. I don't care about the rest of the channel [14:22] Before google bought Youtube, you could watch every episode full on google video and youtube [14:22] I was renting the DVDs [14:22] "darwinism?" [14:22] http://bullshitlinks.blogspot.com/ used to have working links [14:22] I've heard of evolution [14:23] yes dont you know we worship darwin [14:23] semantics [14:23] It has something to do with a black rock and apes right? [14:23] no, the tall black oblisk and dancing apes [14:23] oh yeah, there you go [14:23] with strange music and a bone that transforms magically into a space ship... [14:24] "Micro-Evolution" [14:24] yeah, that's some sophisticated technology [14:24] surprised he didn't use a pocket watch... heh heh heh [14:24] I like Lomborg take on global warming - check out the Copehagen Consensus at http://www.copenhagenconsensus.com/Default.aspx?ID=788 [14:25] 4 "You must give equal time to both 'sides' of an issue, regardless of who is backed up by the evidence -- that's what Situational Science is all about! 1 Doonesbury [14:25] teach both sides of the issue equally? Kind of like Fox News? [14:25] LOL [14:25] I heard that the graphs which connected the temperature and c02 was wrong [14:25] I love the "fact" that there may be only 2 sides... wy not 3 or 4 or more? [14:25] it's so silly [14:25] because the c02 came after the temperatures and were result of the temperatures [14:26] http://www.ironchariots.org/forum/ [14:26] especially when one side has virtually zero evidence [14:26] but that could be complete fabrication [14:26] hahahaha [14:26] that was funny, Billy has ADHD, he [14:26] iron chariots [14:26] he's not listening [14:27] ;p; [14:27] lol [14:27] o<|8^Þ [14:27] actually I liked his recent post about having "credible evidence" that god exists [14:27] I'm waiting to see that [14:27] Hey, I'm still not sure about the moon thing. :p [14:28] Joe Rogan was such a bad guest on that debate [14:28] I can believe it but the camera thing still unnerves me [14:28] not much better than ralph renee [14:28] I like Joe but he's to loud [14:28] And Pastafarianism [14:28] Joe kept depending on shitty "evidence" [14:28] Joe even did that parallel shadow shit. [14:29] like pictures of a guy getting rocks AND... Werner Von Brahn's nazi status *rolls eyes* [14:29] Joe spends too much time looking at titties on fear factor girls and watching UFC fights in arenas. he doesnt go outside enough [14:29] "Why would the US govt. hire a Nazi?" [14:29] we didn't hire a Nazi... we hired a fucking rocket scientist [14:29] They work cheap? [14:30] Because we made him trade civil rights in exchange for not going to jail [14:30] * Targetta has joined #nonprophets [14:31] What's next with these guys? Next they'll come up with "Intelligent Falling" [14:31] Inholf [14:31] Al gore's appearance at the House was a kangaroo trial [14:31] "Intelligent Bovine Fecal Matter" [14:32] "Intelligent Geology" [14:32] Intelligent Bovine Fecal Matter =s Love [14:32] Heh [14:32] :P [14:33] I'm pretty sure that was a moderate christian [14:33] Dogmatic? Hah. Nowhere near [14:34] that "intelligent geology" gag isnt much of a joke, Armando. Once again you can't parody a christian because some douche bags are really doing it. They sell videos that talk all about how caves, with stalagmites and stalactites and crystals and geodes are God's miracles. [14:34] or liberal christian, or whatever you call them [14:34] * Dave63_2 has joined #nonprophets [14:34] * Dave63 has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) [14:34] * hamandcheese is now known as Samuel [14:35] * SoHelpMeDarwin has left #nonprophets [14:35] * SoHelpMeDarwin has joined #nonprophets [14:36] I agree [14:36] * SoHelpMeDarwin has quit IRC (SoHelpMeDarwin) [14:36] Aerik, don't forget the Grand Canyon controversy with the National Park Service making sure that the "Different View" book is sold [14:37] there is un"intelligent geology" if I ever saw it [14:37] ColoradoAtheist actually that story turned out to be not true. The staff at the park do not give alternative creationist theories or dumb down science completely so as not to offend creationists. They do sell the books in their gift shops, though. [14:37] that's what I'm referring to [14:37] I'm not saying that the people themselves are telling the story [14:37] I would hope not.\ [14:38] lol [14:38] Good answer [14:38] I'd have to see where it's actually placed though. If it's in the section with the science books, etc then there's a problem there. If it's separate, than like anything else, let someone read it and make their own determination [14:39] then again, these would be the same people who seem to forget that the flood would have had to cover Mount Everest as well [14:39] * So has joined #nonprophets [14:40] * So has left #nonprophets [14:40] which was what? 4.5 trillion cubic kilometers, roughly [14:40] I don't care how people think the world was made ultimately. People could believe that they are products of a magical mixing milk and eggs for all I care. It's only a problem when people force it on other people as undeniable fact. [14:40] That sounds a lot like the "The Koran is perfect" argument. [14:41] * So_Help_Me_Darwin has joined #nonprophets [14:41] Armando, EXACTLY! [14:41] So there never can be an undeniable fact? [14:42] Not without proof and foundation [14:42] There's no undeniable fact period. [14:42] Well, everything is pragmatic to some extent. [14:43] It's just that if I do question all these facts, people will question my sanity. [14:43] Unless it relates to religion. [14:43] Saying "Texas is the biggest state in the union" was true at one point [14:43] Facts CAN change, and they usually do, but not without cause. [14:44] Who says that simpler is better? That's an unproven assumption. [14:44] Then at that point they are not undenyable. [14:44] use a batting average in baseball as an example of fact changing with cause [14:44] Facts change with further facts. [14:44] Simpler is easier to comprehend [14:44] which is in no way better. [14:44] facts can be further proven as well [14:44] Also true [14:45] I think simplicity is more comfortable for the majority of people [14:45] Oh, I like simpler, sure, but that's no reason to think that the universe likes it. [14:45] it's easier to understand, thus more comfortable [14:45] lol, neutron [14:45] complexity often introduces fear [14:45] I was questioning the Adam and Eve story with my Christian friend. [14:46] And I pointed out all theses paradoxs and flaws in it [14:46] and he just said basicly "its god lol" [14:46] and then ignored me [14:46] Samuel - that's my brother [14:46] same thing [14:46] Heh, I was counting the generations between Adam and Noah [14:46] "it's god, you have to believe it" [14:46] or some crazy shit like that [14:46] Yeah. [14:46] to one of my Christian [14:47] but that's assuming that both people actually accept the hypothesis of god [14:47] in our case, one of us does and one doesn't [14:47] you mean there are paradox's and flaws in it now - things change - maybe it was true then [14:47] There were sixteen generations (with apparently a lot of inbreeding) then it start all over again with 8 of them. No wonder our genes are all fucked up. :p [14:48] Maybe Adam and Eve were superhuman [14:48] and were only retarded compared to them. [14:48] There a difference between true and accepted as true. [14:48] of course they were - they were created perfect [14:48] Targetta, to your point. I think as human knowledge has evolved, we continue to show that there is no reason to believe in supernaturalism; ie - why the sun rises, why grass is dead without sunlight and water, etc [14:48] I think whatever is accepted becomes true, until proven wrong. [14:49] If they were perfect, how come they were stupid enough to believe Satan [14:49] They lacked knowledge [14:49] because Satan killed fewer people than God? [14:49] Or was that just women? Are women "less perfect" than men? [14:49] Good segue! [14:49] they had freewill and desire, and with those too things alone desire will take over. [14:49] It's like God wanted them to Sin. [14:50] it's in the bible, so yes, they are less perfect [14:50] that's assuming, again, that both parties agree freewill exists and they have same definition of freewill [14:50] Freewill as God granted in the bible [14:50] the bible is thoroughly misogynistic [14:50] * NeutronJack visualizes no more religion. [14:50] But omniscience trumps freewill. If we KNOW the consequences of our actions, why would we CHOOSE to do something stupid? [14:51] Samuel - and according to my brother "God created things to appear older than they really are to challenge our faith" [14:51] Because that choice could result in more positive. But then if that stupid thing is good to do then its the best thing to do and ergo not stupid. [14:51] he believes the earth is 6K years old and that's his excuse for geology [14:51] And he did a really really good job too! :P [14:51] or something [14:51] he stole my pun! damn it! [14:51] LOL [14:51] But that implies no omniscience [14:51] world peas [14:51] maybe he smoked a big fatty right before he made that shit [14:51] hahaha [14:52] I got world peas all right, net weight 8 oz. in a can [14:52] People who say its a test of faith are ignoring evidence. [14:52] I prefer green peas [14:52] What makes a choice stupid, is not the choice, it's the knowledge of the consequences [14:52] I can't say "peace" this close to Colorado Springs or the police will drag me across the street [14:52] LO [14:52] LOL [14:52] I lean more towards green beans [14:52] I like asparagus too [14:52] sorry I missed all that - daughter had some underwear isues - damn eve and her dumb fig leaf [14:53] kind of like green beans on 'roids [14:53] Lima beans... yum [14:53] I'm currently eating sweet peas. [14:53] * Aerik is back [14:53] FREEDOM! [14:53] I like steamed broccoli as a snack [14:53] heh [14:53] yumy [14:53] healthier snack than chips.... [14:53] I prefer raw broccoli but its harder to eat. [14:53] but not better [14:53] hahaha [14:53] broccoli and chicken, chinese style [14:53] take some broccoli, put it in a ziplock with a lil bit of water, butter, and soy sauce, throw it in the microwave. [14:54] yeah, but ample roughage for your colon [14:54] did you see the article this week about how unhealthy chinese food is? [14:54] or semi olon ... ; [14:54] good point [14:54] I did [14:54] MSG^2 [14:54] * Dave63 has joined #nonprophets [14:54] * Dave63_2 has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) [14:54] I like raspberry newtons [14:54] lol [14:54] any newtons. [14:54] speaking of which, brb [14:54] Like I didn't know that already *takes a bite from his deep-fried eggroll* [14:54] I'm just so not with this today [14:54] I don't know what's up [14:54] fried chicken, fried spring rolls, fried egg rolls, grasy lo mein... yeah healthy shit. [14:55] If only the chinese resturants actually served chinese food [14:55] I'm working around the house, but listening in the background as it were [14:55] and not this american deep fried shit. [14:55] I like the chinese place that serves sushi here [14:55] is sushi chinese? [14:55] chinese sushi? [14:55] not spending a lot of time in front of the keyboard today [14:55] weren't they originally enemies? [14:55] No japanese [14:55] sushi... yummy [14:55] Samuel i know a chinese retaurant that serves real chinese food thursday nights. mostly sea food. [14:56] I could eat sushi until I pass out [14:56] Cool. [14:56] I love sushi, but chinese buffets that serve sushi really freak me out [14:56] Ive never had sushi sadly. [14:56] brb [14:56] Actually, the Japanese supposedly got the "land of the rising sun" name from the Japanese [14:56] nothing like raw fish simmering under a heat lamp [14:56] er, Chinese [14:56] haha [14:56] I don't even like lobster. [14:56] Matt, it's better than having fairy underwear in your drawer [14:56] ;) [14:57] I've proven the existence of the trouser weasel [14:57] that's what haggard wears [14:57] haqhahaha [14:57] haha [14:57] no mentioning of asshat yet [14:57] Faries under the garden. [14:57]