Session Start: Sat Dec 01 14:05:34 2007 Session Ident: #nonprophets [14:05] * Now talking in #nonprophets [14:05] * Topic is 'Tune in to the next LIVE Non-Prophets show, Saturday, December 1st, 2007! at 3:00pm eastern (19:00 UTC) on http://www.nonprophetsradio.com, or visit the website for archived episodes.' [14:05] * Set by Non-Prophets on Sat Nov 17 16:03:42 [14:05] * ChanServ sets mode: +oq Non-Prophets Non-Prophets [14:05] there we go! [14:05] * gmp has joined #nonprophets [14:05] * tik2roo has joined #nonprophets [14:05] turn on your might wurlitzer guys, you're running behind [14:06] there we go what [14:06] the NPs are in the room, things should start happening shortly [14:06] Yes, I'm sure I could explain why we're running late - but it's so common now that it really doesn't matter [14:06] heh [14:06] Slackers! hehe [14:07] Suffice to say, there are good reasons this time...instead of the weak-assed ones we've had in the past [14:07] just so you're here and we can get this campfire circle going [14:07] Okay, so it is live today - I'm not tuning in on an off day. *happiness* Yay! [14:07] give em a few minutes to catch their collective breath [14:07] I schedule non-prophets on my google calendar [14:07] -> *chanserv* topic #nonprophets Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern (19:00 UTC)! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information! [14:07] * ChanServ changes topic to 'Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern (19:00 UTC)! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information! (Non-Prophets)' [14:07] If you guys want to mention it, the D'Souza/Dennett debate is on youtube, and i got the link for it [14:07] I used to until I started working on Saturdays. *sad face* [14:08] d'souza is much too annoying [14:08] Is it any good..? [14:08] Post-poned to 3pm? [14:08] http://nonprophets.gotdns.org:8000 is the feed root [14:08] oops, sorry eastern [14:08] Yeah, he's annoying..but Dennett spanks him [14:08] post-pwned [14:09] D'sousa is always annoying when he's interviewed on Thom Hartmann's show [14:09] Heard the others of D'Souza were not that decisive [14:09] i just cannot stand listening too him - he bugs me in a way the other xian apologists don't [14:10] I'm quiet because I just spilled a huge glass of water all over my computer/wires [14:10] Well, he pulls a Godwin about 5 minutes in, so it's pretty funny [14:10] Is it streaming yet? [14:10] is the feed working now? [14:10] nope [14:10] ok thanks [14:10] You know, you'd think the Non-Prophets would make sure their timeliness reflected the amount of money they rake in every week. Oh wait, they do. [14:10] :) [14:10] * Zadius has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) [14:10] :-) [14:10] also with d'souza - I don't think he really believes - it is just part of the conservative persona he adopted in college [14:11] Awwww [14:11] We're almost ready...and money is one of the issues, but not in the way you might think. :) [14:11] wait aren't we atheists supposed to have enormous money and power? [14:11] The show's timeliness is directly related to how much money they can spend on booze to get ready? [14:11] One of you lose yer day job? [14:11] From past shows, it sounded like the ACA has a good amount of standing cash, they just have to figure out what to do with it. [14:11] so Booze = longer show? [14:11] * LinkedList has joined #nonprophets [14:12] More booze=sooner show? [14:12] * Zadius has joined #nonprophets [14:12] You know, I really don't like Godwin's law, I think Nazi/Hitler comparisons should be made more often (as they're applicable) [14:12] I've been out of work since October 1st, Aerik - it's related to that. Not catastrophic, nothing to bother you all with. It's just been a bad weekend...and it's only Saturday morning. :) [14:12] It'll get better, though. [14:13] been ther before brother [14:13] Sorry Matt. [14:13] We've been having what was supposed to be an ice storm where I am. I bet in busier places it'd be a real bother [14:13] first snow of the season here in chicago - all the idiots have forgotten how to drive on slick surfaces so the roads will be a mess [14:13] Ah, how's the writing going? [14:13] I wish it would finally snow here and get it over with [14:13] * ilya has joined #nonprophets [14:13] first rain in months here in LA too. Lots of acidents yesterday [14:14] we had a snow a couple weeks ago. half an inch maybe. then later some rain washed it away [14:14] I don't know whether Matt has reached his saturation point for pontificating about religious issues, but it'd be a pretty neat angle to get a job at a newspaper (anywhere in the country, nowadays with the internet), as a religious issues editorialist. [14:14] port forwarding is fixed, you should be able to connect now - but hear nothing [14:14] is the feed working? [14:14] or you could just make a blog [14:14] ah [14:14] Yup. I'm connected. Just some light white noise [14:14] Blogs don't usually pay as much [14:15] yup, 8 of you connected already. We'll start very soon...wanna give folks a few more minutes to connect [14:15] stream is running! [14:15] * grrrrraeme has quit IRC (grrrrraeme) [14:15] 12 now...and climbing, 13... 15 ... love you guys. :) [14:15] sweet [14:15] i thought i was late [14:15] good to hear i wasn't [14:15] hey, graeme left' [14:15] It's gotta feel good to be popular [14:16] how many people connect usually? [14:16] unless you are a poplar being cut down... oh wait, that's a tree' [14:16] Wow, lots of people in the chat today. [14:17] * rudeboy pulls yet another unbelievably bad pun out of his ass ... [14:17] i am trying to listen to stream for first time. what program should i use to listen? i hope you aren't going to say realplayer [14:17] No sound yet? [14:17] mine is in my itunes [14:17] VLC is good [14:17] use winamp or itunes [14:17] nope, no sound [14:17] no sound here, using itunes [14:17] I use iTunes [14:17] thanks rudeboy [14:17] vlc ftw [14:18] now sound [14:18] foobar pwns itunes [14:18] umhm [14:18] here it goes [14:18] lol [14:18] hahah [14:18] I use winamp [14:18] wild turkey and passenger pigeons? [14:18] american guts? [14:18] shit out good old american asses? [14:18] * grrrrraeme has joined #nonprophets [14:18] hey, what a warm greeting in aurel [14:18] WB Graeme [14:19] ho give me a home where the buffalo roam and the deer and the antelope get shot to hamburger. [14:19] stream is up [14:19] pooter crashed! [14:19] oh jeeze...that took a turn [14:19] * Aerik_ has joined #nonprophets [14:19] well, spank that CPU [14:19] more spanking [14:19] and then later you can spank the..... oooooop [14:19] never enough spanking [14:19] im connecting to the stream... [14:20] * tik2roo has quit IRC (tik2roo) [14:20] is that britney? [14:20] I gotta figure out why winamp's buffer is so slow lately [14:20] who is this [14:20] That was craziest intro I ever heard. [14:20] William S. Burroughs - Thanksgiving Prayer [14:20] but great [14:20] Looks like I'll be a minute behind everybody else again. [14:20] ah [14:20] should have guessed [14:20] nice [14:21] atheists.... in Austin? In TEXAS???!! [14:21] Don't forget, we eat babies too! [14:21] oh right [14:21] where is that infant deep fry I had in the fridge..... hm [14:21] will no one save the chlidren?! [14:21] Austin is to Texas what San Francisco is to California. Or Iowa City is to Iowa. [14:21] fornicate? fornicate? Where? [14:21] I was thinking false dichotomy, but maybe not [14:21] I need to catch up on my fornication [14:21] * Aerik has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [14:21] Ad hominen? [14:21] Fornicate Fornicate,,, dance to the music [14:21] * Aerik_ is now known as Aerik [14:22] Godwin's law is in [14:22] that intro is not far wrong [14:22] Who *doesn't* appreciate fornication?! Loved it. [14:22] no, loved it [14:22] The intro was nice! [14:23] Now, is there fornication at Dillahunty Studios? [14:23] accents? [14:23] * Dave63 has joined #nonprophets [14:23] Yes accents! [14:23] fore and aft-nication [14:23] what happens in dllahunty studios.... [14:23] Stays in dillahunty studios [14:23] port side out, starboard side home [14:23] POSH [14:23] I have an email from ROYAL FINANCE LENDERS lol [14:23] Late show. Excellent... [14:23] WAR ON XMAS!!!!! [14:23] Happy Festivus Everybody! [14:24] quick call Bill O Fuckme [14:24] at Faux news [14:24] May the Farts Be with You [14:24] * rudeboy belches with alacrity [14:25] may the schwartz be with you? [14:25] 'sacreligious'. That Shilling -- he's a card/ [14:25] may the schwantz (sp) [14:25] what makes them "Royal?" [14:26] It's spam, let it go [14:26] hey, canada has a flag day too [14:26] Canada doesn't count, you know that. ;) [14:26] canadian money beats ours now [14:26] so someone is counting [14:26] Ah, so show after that is 12 januari? [14:27] But no country adds their country name as an object modifier. It's like Mexican food. In Mexico, they just call it 'food'. [14:27] right [14:27] but it is all good [14:27] Looks like Matt and Denis are still dirt poor, with only a Shilling between them. [Buh Dump Dump, Tsssss....] [14:27] lol [14:27] good one [14:28] http://www.expressandstar.com/2007/11/30/dorito-ufo-seen-in-skies/ "dorito ufo" is the new vogue [14:28] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw7J15TeDG4 [14:28] madonna's space ship? [14:28] Dennett D'Souza debate [14:28] haha madonna [14:28] Don't watch it now though, listen to Matt, heeh [14:29] Loved Dennis on the TV show :-) [14:29] Biblical wisdom? Oxymoronic... or some other gas? [14:30] guest? [14:30] How to wisely treat the bible...use it to refute theists. [14:31] hosit them with their own petard [14:31] First time I heard "hoisted by my own petard" was family guy haha [14:31] * rudeboy searchs for his missing petard [14:31] You're the devil now Matt...if they talk to you, you might burn them up ;) [14:31] hamlet has so many good ones [14:32] hamburger hamlet? [14:32] that rules [14:32] yuck, hamlet just made me think of mel gibson [14:32] think of a real actor [14:33] dun dun dun [14:33] oooooh nasty [14:33] naughty matt [14:33] what have you been UP TO?!?!!? [14:33] why does hamlet make you think of mel gibson? [14:33] you have gone astray! [14:33] yeah, I think of Kenneth Brannaugh or Laurence Olivier [14:33] he played him once [14:33] irregular listeners? [14:33] regular [14:34] they just need to eat more head cheese [14:34] i know ;) [14:34] ah [14:34] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099726/ [14:34] and you're a heathen [14:35] * LinkedList has quit IRC (What does this button...) [14:35] heh [14:35] * Dave63_2 has joined #nonprophets [14:35] * Dave63 has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) [14:35] hm doppleganger daves [14:36] I was never cute enough for a priest to go after me [14:36] heh, sure about that? [14:36] considering i still have my behymen, pretty sure [14:36] lol [14:36] oh, there's one ther too? [14:37] its an invisible forcefield, hehe [14:37] ah, I cannot think of anything clean to rebutt here [14:37] bad pun [14:37] yeah, but butt [14:38] * NeutronJack is back! [14:38] matt, that's a thing christians do all the time try to think about what could cause someone to be atheist and usually they come up with irrational explinations... like my mom decided it was because i wanted to hurt her [14:38] NJ! [14:38] Because they can't admit there may be a *good* reason [14:39] exactly [14:39] The wife called, and I responded. It was good. [14:39] i left out the part about a friend breaking my confidence and told my mom [14:39] D'Souza gave Pascal's wager in his debate...it was so sad [14:39] yes, most christians think that you are an atheist because you are mad at god. they can't conceive of non-belief. [14:40] so someone aborted non belief? [14:40] In first grade, they just said, "do you worship satan?" [14:40] Well, I say that Christians are just mad at not-god [14:40] and I would say, is satan giving me a better deal? [14:40] who said that we evaporate into nothingness? [14:40] and what is the downpayment? [14:40] afraid of not god [14:40] and what is my annual APR with this deal? [14:40] hahahahahahahaha [14:41] "annual APR", you say. [14:41] whats your pin number [14:41] does satan recognize the california lemon law? IF it don;t work right you get a free replacement? [14:41] jeebus [14:41] lol [14:41] what is jeeeezuz;s oin number? [14:41] pin mumber [14:41] number [14:41] damn keyboard, keys are in the wrong places [14:42] You're getting number by the second, rudeboy! :-) [14:42] try decaf [14:42] decaff? on a beer? [14:42] why would you wanna be with a virgin [14:42] fuck that [14:42] haha [14:42] i never understood that one [14:42] virgins- braggin rights! :) [14:43] who do you brag to? [14:43] "But those religions are stupid, so I don't have to even consider them!" "Ah, now you understand my objection to your religion." [14:43] toast to a german virgin: Gutentight! [14:43] oooookay, I need another beer [14:43] :( [14:44] that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard [14:45] god is a moron though [14:45] As if belief can be turned on & off like a light switch. [14:46] in the republican party it is [14:46] Well, not existing does have a big affect on the old IQ [14:46] look at our innerds [14:46] who would want to be worshipped? [14:46] yaweeeee does [14:46] Ok, maybe I do [14:46] i wouldn't mind being worshipped [14:46] but it might get old [14:46] i don't wanna be worshiped [14:46] yaw weigh nearly 100 pounds. parcel post this one! [14:46] only on Mondays, Wednesday and Fridays [14:47] worship me pigs [14:47] so does anyone chat about what's actually on the show? [14:47] I couldn't respect worship [14:47] if we have anything to add Russ [14:47] sometimes we chat about the current convo, sometimes we get off on side topics [14:47] I suffer from keyboard ADD [14:48] just curious [14:49] so atheism is pessimism? [14:49] so when I am happy, which is most of the time, I'm violating some atheist code? [14:50] hm [14:50] atheism is being humble...we don't assume the sky daddy made all this for us and cares who we have sex with [14:50] That's atheist DOGMA, rudeboy. [14:50] yes [14:50] oooooooooh [14:50] yes you are supposed to be angry and bitter like old Madelyn was [14:50] hah! well, I'm breaking that rule every day [14:50] good for you! [14:50] i don't think Madelyn was bitter [14:51] angry, and later insane, but not bitter [14:51] she didn't have people skills [14:51] could be wrong [14:51] i was a christian back in madelyn's heyday and she made me want to stay a christian. luckily others reached me with reason [14:52] Well, cannot deny she did get the ball rolling [14:52] and ended up the lightning rod for all things "bad" when someone would even mention atheism and =atheists [14:52] Madalyn Murray O'Hair: The most misspelled atheist name, ever. [14:52] i think to this day when people hear atheist, they think of her... to the detriment of all of us [14:52] yep [14:53] nah, they think Stalin or Hitler [14:53] i don't think so [14:53] my generation doesn't know that name very well [14:53] vegetarians have that problem with ingrid newkirk! [14:53] Vegetarians have that problem with Hitler, the non-vegetarian. :-( [14:53] BTW, I'm a vegetarian, and I have no idea who Ingrid Newkirk is. [14:54] everyone has that problem with hitler! [14:54] i never heard her name until i started looking into atheism in 9th grade(when i finally learned there was a word for those without believes- i was under the impression that atheists believed in and worshiped the devil) [14:54] IN is the the founder of peta [14:54] hitler had a problem with hitler [14:54] lol [14:54] hitler had more issues than the magazine section at border's [14:55] LOL, yeah and he had a spastic colon too [14:55] http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/mariocross.jpg [14:55] Evidently his digestive system was royally screwed up and some quack doctor only made him worse [14:55] so we should be against people with colon problems [14:55] non-prophets look at this insane page "debunking skeptics' arguments" http://www.geocities.com/wwu777us/Debunking_Skeptical_Arguments.htm [14:56] check out the documentary "Blind Spot: Hitler's Secretary". Amazing stuff [14:56] * Canadian_hoser has joined #nonprophets [14:56] No lady atheist, just some info I heard recently [14:56] not sure of the veracity of it, but given his history, it doesn't surprise me [14:57] hey,k hoser [14:57] I was joking :) [14:57] ah [14:57] late today, working... [14:57] working on..... [14:57] making $$$ [14:58] doing something good for the planet? [14:58] what you gonna do, cry about it? nice...the ultimate counter-apologetic [14:58] websites for the government [14:58] cool [14:58] * gmp has quit IRC (gmp) [14:59] and that far north it is probably very cool [14:59] anyone going to Golden Compass [15:00] "Weather Jokes from Above the 49th Parallel" -- by WIsenheimer [15:00] Yeah, GC looks good in the trailers [15:00] I think atheists who are former Christians should write to their old friends and de-convert them.. whaddaya think? [15:00] when does it come out? GC [15:00] lol [15:00] Good luck with that, BroRussell. [15:00] ummm heck no [15:00] It's out today isn;t it? [15:00] Oh i know it's futile. I don't think Matt should even bother answer his friend's letter [15:00] i don't talk to any of those people anymore... i have christian friends now.. but want nothing to do with my childhood christian friends [15:00] we atheists are going to the Dev 7 showing as a group [15:01] ah, this coming weekend [15:01] tonight for a sneak preview [15:01] I have a union party that day, maybe I'll see a matinee on the weekend [15:01] lol [15:02] atheist-= you're full of shit [15:02] I heard that GC has been sanitized [15:02] well, isn't that so xtian? [15:02] sanitized? [15:02] you mean recut to take out the "bad" bits? [15:02] all the god stuff has been removed [15:02] where'd you read that [15:02] I heard it [15:03] tend to ignore previews [15:04] try to get religious groups to work together, ha!! [15:04] I tend to lean towards DVDs now, since they usually have all the scenes left in [15:04] oops, need to write a quickie email to someone, I'll be lurking for a moment [15:04] if the xians did not make a stink about GC, I would have waited for the DVD [15:05] Practicing their faith? Whaaaaaaaaaat? [15:05] oooh, Xtians are bothered by the movie? [15:05] You have to practice your faith every day or you'll never be any good at it. [15:06] self re-inforcing delusion [15:06] recursive retardation [15:06] "We're scared--their magic might be stronger than ours." [15:06] fractaling fallacious thinking [15:06] My faith kung-fu is stronger... [15:06] "interfaith" to most people in the US means methodists and lutherens [15:06] hmmm breach of contract action..lol [15:07] you can come and pray...but you have to pray to our god...just like people who say gays can get married, just not to eachother [15:08] They need to call someone in this story and asshat [15:08] * BroRussell has quit IRC (BroRussell) [15:08] Go Jews! [15:08] no penalties??? [15:08] they could get sued for breach of contract [15:08] ha [15:09] and have to pay the fees and stuff to get it changed to a new venue [15:10] sorry lawyer in me coming out [15:10] :-) [15:10] same magic [15:10] oh crap the teddy bear story [15:10] different sorcerers [15:10] yes! love the teddy bear story [15:11] death to the namer of a teddy bear [15:11] This is a classic example of what WRONG with belief [15:11] I think if the muslims want to be fair, they should be punishing the 7 year olds [15:11] Note that the bear was named after the most popular boy in class. It was NOT named after the prophet. [15:11] The bear is the victim in all this [15:11] let them burn Teddy -- he can bear it [15:11] beat the stuffing out of the heathen [15:11] your grizzly tonight [15:11] I know, I need to rub my backside against a tree [15:12] chop off its head [15:12] there's an image [15:12] Ignorance of the idiotic law is no excuse. For the idiotic law. [15:12] I need to ponderosa this issue [15:12] anyone know if they confiscated the bear? [15:12] constipated the bear? [15:12] Common sense is not to go to a country where you can get killed for blasphemy [15:12] If the bear is called mohammed, are we banned from making an image of it? [15:12] Send every muslim nation a picture of the bear saying, You KNow WHo says HI!!!! [15:13] Death to those who call toys mohammed [15:13] are musslims more crazy than xians??? [15:13] How to win friends and influence people [15:13] yes [15:13] they're the craziest [15:13] the ost blood thirstiest [15:13] How dare you be intolerant...we'll kill you if you keep being intolerant [15:13] oh that's why i'm confused... i'm lagging... just started hearing the teddy bear story [15:13] by peaceful religion, you mean tearing stuffed bears to pieces? [15:13] they're literally still in the dark ages [15:13] xians had their blood thirsty period in history [15:13] with nukes [15:13] so are many xtians in this nation [15:14] they live their lives in the dark ages [15:14] not the same way [15:14] not nearly the same way [15:14] http://jesusandmo.net/ [15:14] Muslims aren't more crazy in that their religion isn't more crazy. They just happen to have a bunch of countries who incorporate islamic law into the nations' laws, and the countries haven't been tempered, yet, by modernization and forced reconciliation with science and democracy. [15:14] that and the psycho christians know they would get smacked down pretty quickly by the non believers and the moderate christians [15:14] Yeah. What MorseCode said. [15:14] ouini [15:14] heh [15:14] She deserved to be jailed - her haircut was hideous [15:14] that would be living in the dark ages [15:14] lol [15:14] yeah haircut violation [15:15] No! Common people get killed over stuff like this as well, but that isn't worldnews! [15:15] looked like bon jovi [15:15] chopping off her head would fix that [15:15] I think that somebody here just said "dont make her look more innocent than she is" is fucking ridiculous [15:15] she's either innocent or not what the fucking fuck [15:15] huh? - scooby doo [15:16] wish we could do sound effects in this chat [15:16] text gags just don't cut it [15:16] in fact, I gagged on some text just up there somewhere ^^^^^^^^ [15:17] a couple of muslims from the house of lords have flown out to try to get her released [15:17] someone sensible [15:17] Really, grrrraeme? Now *that* is what needs to happen. Muslims need to condemn batshit crazy Muslims. [15:18] yep [15:18] every muslum i've ever met was peaceful and thought it was a peaceful religion [15:18] Diet Muslims? [15:18] Muslim Lite? [15:18] Non-existent muslims? [15:18] haha [15:18] Cafeteria Muslims. [15:18] but there are far less liberal muslims proportionately than liberal christians [15:18] I was going to say that [15:18] O grams of Muslim transfats? [15:18] Muslim Zero? [15:18] not terrorists [15:19] i've even been told by them that most people who live in their home countries are that way... the crazies aare the equivalent of our fundamentalist christians, but those crazies get all the coverage in the news [15:19] Mohammed Lite? [15:19] but they run the show there [15:19] though supposedly a vast majority think 9/11 was justified [15:19] lol [15:20] the pope needs an anal reaming? [15:20] and they all wanna blow the fuck out of the us and israel [15:20] needs an enema [15:20] jeeze, doesn't he have enough gastro issues? [15:20] I don't want to ream the pope [15:20] hat up ass [15:20] He might like it [15:20] gastro issues like hitler [15:20] Wears his ass like a hat [15:20] jarvolt where did that statistic come from? [15:20] asshats like what he wears? yep [15:20] ASSHAT! [15:21] :) [15:21] I'm pretty sure I can find a method of reaming him that he definitely won't like [15:21] not sure, I remember reading it somewhere [15:21] LOL [15:21] lol [15:21] by a woman? [15:21] with a strap on? [15:21] You never know, those Hitler Youth can take a bayonette [15:21] jarvolt.. . i'm not concerned with where you read it... i've read similar stuff... [15:21] (ouc h) [15:21] i'm concerned with how did they get that statistic [15:21] Perhaps I can go to one of the Vatican's museums and grab one of the torture devices they used during the crusades [15:21] that was back in the days when his anus was elasitic [15:21] now it is tight [15:21] LOL [15:21] I saw a history channel special about those torture devices [15:22] now it is rigid from years of rigid thinking [15:22] and one, indeed, as meant to be insert in the butt [15:22] no wonder he had lower GI issues [15:22] sitting on a pike eh [15:22] * arensb has joined #nonprophets [15:22] * kb_ck has joined #nonprophets [15:22] and the fish didn;t appreciate it. Poor pike [15:22] Would be funnier if it were a walleye [15:23] or a sword fish [15:23] Is Matt looking for the pope's recent encyclical? [15:23] RE Chris Comber resigning: Is there some sort of movement or letter-writing campaign being started to counter this BS?! This seems really, really messed up. [15:24] http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL3016839520071130 [15:24] right there [15:24] thanks for the link [15:24] no problem [15:25] Thanks. That's what I was looking for. [15:25] intelligent design, where is the intelligence??? [15:26] yeah, talk about an oxymoron [15:26] More like "Corky from 'Life Goes On'" Design [15:26] hah! [15:26] people who restrict info have something to hide. [15:27] i agree [15:28] i don't think intelligent design should be taught in science class because there is no evidence for it... but it would be ok in school in the context of a religion class which discuseed the creation stories in all religions [15:28] of course [15:29] Matt's right. This was a letter forwarded inside the TEA about an issue that has screwed up other school districts. I guess the only reason I can think of that she should be reprimanded in any way (but still not a fire-able offense), is that Barbara has become a politically charged figure. Regardless of whether she covers a politically neutral subject. [15:29] Or better yet, a course in critical thinking, in the section explaining how pseudoscience can look like science. [15:29] I read a blog where somebody asked where Ben Stein is in all of this. If he's pushing for "free speech" in science, why isn't he standing up for her? [15:30] Because it's the wrong kind of speech. [15:30] exactly [15:30] even if something is politically charged... go to every thing on all sides... sheesh [15:30] Ben Stein, asshat??? [15:30] fo sho [15:31] But in the same vein, the person who wrote the letters that dressed her down presented a MUCH more partisan picture with her reprimand than Comber did. And much higher profile. [15:31] It's so disappointing. I used to respect Ben Stein. [15:31] win ben stein's asshat! [15:31] did everybody see the preview? [15:31] on youtube?? [15:32] NeutronJack: I agree. Right up until Expelled, I thought he was pretty cool. [15:32] yeah i think it's straight out of the actual film [15:32] Conservative, speechwriter for Nixon, sure, but still basically an OK guy. But now? Not so. [15:32] I liked his eye drop commercial [15:32] lawyer on Sienfeld [15:34] Rream the Pope! [15:34] http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2910607983914622531 <- Barbara Forrest lecture/talk [15:34] Apparently the pope and dinesh d'souza agree on this issue [15:35] the question i have is.. if it violates the standards in place.. are those really [15:35] "in place" or are they there to pull out and get someone with [15:36] Criticizing the pope doesn't make you non-Catholic! [15:36] I criticize the president, and I remain an American. [15:36] weren't there catholics that put in camps by Hitler as well? [15:36] either way he was totally gay! [15:36] ...right? [15:36] *were [15:36] i thought they were\ [15:36] thought Hitler was suffering from syphilus [15:37] gawd murdered thousands at least.... [15:37] millions [15:37] But cows were bred for usefulness... [15:37] You know, something I never got about the word "atheism" ... Most 'ism's are ideologies that entail an active belief or drive ways of behaving (creationism, capitolism, communism). But Atheism, being a lack of belief in God, really doesn't do either. Even "Laissez-Faire [15:38] "ism means you are supposed to actively 'step back' from interfering. [15:38] That's because theism is a 'real' ism (or at least more so) [15:38] that's because atheism is the absense of theism... [15:39] Wow, neat. I'd been wondering about that for a long time, and you two answered it in like 6 seconds. [15:39] * Aerik has quit IRC (ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]) [15:39] think about it ouini... if you are not moral you are amoral.. [15:39] That is to say, thanks. That's a good answer. [15:40] there are alot of words that if you put an a infront of them it means the opposite.. [15:40] ah. popie constructs his own arguement.... how original [15:40] that's where the word atheism comes from the opposite of theism [15:40] god in the OT is a monster [15:40] An almond is someone who lacks lmond. [15:40] hookem: I think if you are not moral, you are immoral? [15:41] you can use immoral or amoral [15:41] I would say amoral means not concerned with morals [15:41] ladyatheist: I agree. [15:41] but not necess immoral [15:41] yeah... [15:41] science is amoral [15:41] * paula35 has joined #nonprophets [15:41] you are right but people that aren't concerned with it don't tend to act morally [15:42] we aren't concerned with theism... we don't believe it therefore we are the opposite of theism, or theists that are all about it [15:44] I like the argument that Communism kind of replaced religion with the state being god-like, it didn't get rid of the concept of religion entirely [15:44] my favorite theistic group that does good works is the Salvation Army [15:44] i hate the salvation army [15:44] why? [15:44] the pope -- "you sorry fuck of an asshat!" [15:45] jarvolt: That's pretty much Sam Harris' argument. It's the dogma that's almost always related to religion that is the problem. [15:45] because they help but want to spread the word and that is their real goal in helping people [15:45] and they discriminate against gays [15:45] you aren't really being charitable or helping people if you are doing it to try to get them to think like you... [15:45] they still get help out and about %75 of money donated to them gets to where it is needed [15:45] They didn't mean THAT kind of stoning [15:46] yeah but at what cost [15:46] if they did it to help people 100% would go to help people and no religion attatched [15:46] good works are good, but I give my money to others [15:46] true, but they are the ost eficient [15:46] Speaking of dogma, has everyone seen the Youtube clip of Kevin Smith at a rally protesting his film "Dogma"? [15:46] Matt's rant: Aaaand, we're back to reaming the Pope. [15:47] Matt should run to be the next Pope! [15:47] The evil, anti-pope [15:47] Getting a twice monthly reaming, The Pope, on Tour NOW! [15:47] There's at least one atheist minister out there. Why not an atheist pope? [15:47] lol [15:47] Atheist Pope! Brilliant! [15:48] to give the pope the tiniest bit of credit, at least he accepts evolution [15:48] With an even more outrageous hat [15:48] The man is 80 years old. The odds of him dying relatively soon are quite high. [15:48] How does one impeach a pope? [15:48] stuff peaches in his mouth? [15:48] I doubt that one does. [15:48] jarvolt: I could swear the Pope does *not* accept evolution? Oh, sarcasm. I got it. [15:48] There's a peachy idea! [15:48] why waste a delicvious peach [15:49] Vati-can't [15:49] there's a hierarchy...if the pope was kicked, there would be someone to take temporary control...whoever is sort of in control when the pope dies [15:49] Dick Cheney? [15:49] The vice-pope? [15:49] Robopope: he loves God and hates crime! [15:49] The Sous-Pope. [15:50] hey, old fankencheney had his heart jumpstarted this year again [15:50] wonder if he has bolts on his neck? [15:50] ouini: It's funnier in French: "sous-pape" sounds like "soupape" == valve. [15:50] Cheney could drop dead any day [15:50] lol [15:50] Pope Valve [15:51] * stephen has quit IRC (ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.10/2007112611]) [15:51] Pope Valve: the developers of Half Life: Eternal Forces. [15:51] "Oh, ya gotta problem with yer Pope Valve. That'll cost ya a few decades in purgatory, my friend." [15:52] Har! [15:52] Pope JPII accepted evolution. But I could *swear* that Ratzsjhfkah has pushed to undo that acceptance. Maybe already declared it. [15:52] catholid church holdings must be in the trillions [15:52] They just don't get it "The atheism of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries is - in its origins and aims - a type of moralism: a protest against the injustices of the world and of world history." - The Pope [15:52] The full document: http://tinyurl.com/3a4hpq [15:53] There's a billion Hindus, for sure. [15:53] The lack of any evidence for Magic Man in the Sky doesn't have anything to do with it, obviously. [15:53] Der Sky Father? [15:53] The "Atheist Reaction section" sounds a lot like the Paula Zahn segment, which was labelled something like, "Why Do Atheists Inspire Such Anger Against Them?" [15:53] Der Pope knows better than to try to enter the evidence arena, arensb. [15:54] gee, such a timely show [15:54] keep going, I was late [15:54] get to mail you lazy bastards [15:54] its gotta be too cold to sexually abuse people in alaska [15:55] best way to warm up [15:55] I'll post the backup podcast out at http://www.leepfrog.com/~kwelsch/non-prophets.html within half an hour after the show. [15:55] Pope Lester the Molester [15:55] You Alaska Molester Poper [15:55] Turkey probes atheist.....er gawd book? [15:56] * sirscooter has joined #nonprophets [15:56] the US is trying to become a theocracy [15:56] some in the US are trying to turn us into one [15:57] ouini: I found the article I was looking for about benedict and evolution: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19956961/ [15:58] the funny thing is they are saying it is their right to do so.. well basically cause if we fight them on 1st ammendment grounds we are attacking their right to freedom of religion in making them keep it out of gov't [15:58] old tappy foot in the other stall? [15:58] Now it's the Dick and Oral Roberts show. [15:58] Oral saw a 900 foot Jeeezuz [15:58] I think it's okay to forcibly out those (atheists or gays) who take stances that harm atheists/gays. [15:58] jarvolt: Thanks! [15:58] that story was almost as funny as Ted Haggart [15:58] Gawd called me home. Bye! [15:58] ouini: I dunno. It's more fun when they out themselves by offering to blow an undercover cop. [15:59] * sirscooter has quit IRC (sirscooter) [15:59] God works for the mafia [15:59] Oral lives up to his name I take it? [15:59] Not that I know of, no. [15:59] Nice life you got here...be unfortunate if anything bad happened to it... [15:59] heh [16:00] s/life/soul/ [16:00] Didn't his wife, like, leave him.... so that means she didn't like Oral anymore? [16:00] she probably never had oral in the first place [16:00] or second [16:00] or third [16:01] arensb: Well, outing should include solid evidence. Either an admission, or proof of actions that confirm the claim (like offering to blow someone for a gay man). [16:01] here in cnada, JW's that refuse blood transfusions for their kids, the kids become wards of the state [16:01] Are you talking about evidence that confirms a suspicion, or just outing someone out of the blue? [16:02] * sirscooter has joined #nonprophets [16:02] problem is the kids age [16:02] * Friar_Zero has joined #nonprophets [16:02] heh [16:02] * sirscooter has quit IRC (sirscooter) [16:02] if the kid had been younger maybe 3 or 4 years younger that would have happened here [16:02] Sorry, I'm laughing so much I cannot tuype [16:02] Don't agree: He isn't 18, and his parents arn't fit to decide: judge should order the treatment [16:02] some believe that jw secretly want to be forced so they can live without giving permission [16:02] it's an issue in bioethics [16:02] under 18, the state interviens [16:03] I'm still stuck on "Pope Valve" [16:03] lol [16:03] under 18... but if the kid shows understanding of what is going on and his decision they can allow it to happen [16:03] not here, under 18, the doctors ocan overide the parents [16:03] If Alexander Pope had decided to become an engineer instead of a poet, there might be a Pope valve. [16:03] see that scares me more [16:04] I remember seeing a Mormon with a nametag that said "Elder Pope". [16:04] Ha! [16:04] arensh: Outing someone, who say pushes for anti-gay legislation, out of the blue. [16:04] Damnit. Just lost feed for a minute. [16:04] my family is completely into dying with dignity.. if i got really sick when i was a kid and cure would have been very unlikely and attempting to get it would have been worse than the issue mom would have let me died wouldn't want the court to change that [16:04] Hm. [16:05] "Friar Fuck!" -- Kim Cattral as Samantha in Sex and the City [16:05] You rang? [16:05] I like the way she thinks He was hot! [16:05] That line had me on the floor [16:05] * sirscooter has joined #nonprophets [16:05] she repeated it like three times [16:06] of course, edited for regular TV [16:06] * paula35 has quit IRC [16:06] how hard would be to seduce a priest, not really I bet [16:06] Over the top and mean? [16:06] Assuming that the priest swings that way. [16:07] about 1000 JW's die ever year from refusing blood [16:07] I bet I could seduce a nun [16:07] Not that I'd want to [16:07] ah, but can you seduce a flying nun? [16:07] now we are back to virgins again [16:07] You see few sexy nuns. [16:07] nun such [16:07] WRT JWs, I think the right music is Combichrist's "What the Fuck Is Wrong With You?" [16:08] nunchuck: the religious version of dwarf-tossing. [16:08] nunupchuck, airing the diced carrots through a nun for Jeebus [16:08] I thought Sally Field was a hot nun [16:08] Sally was a hot babe in her day. Haven't seen her recently [16:08] Nun of the above for pope! [16:09] She was on a Playboy cover [16:09] Still pretty hot [16:09] Gawd of Reason [16:09] Didn't Pratchett have a god of atheism? [16:10] brood [16:10] appropriate word [16:10] for that crowd [16:10] inbred brood [16:10] Makes me think of the Zerg. [16:10] InBred Jed and the InBred Boys [16:10] Start calling them Broodlings [16:10] Take us out, Mister Loube! [16:10] t [16:11] * Reviis has quit IRC [16:11] adopted pagan holiday day [16:11] ah, ale [16:11] ale ale, the gang's all here [16:11] * sirscooter has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [16:11] (Upon reflection, the Zerg are cuter and more lovable than the Phelpses.) [16:12] lol [16:12] We whored the show? [16:12] listen to the show crash LIVE [16:12] Pause for editing! [16:12] Thanks NP! [16:12] paws for the dawg of editing [16:12] Well that was just a random-ass show...I liked it [16:12] Thanks NP's another good show of course [16:12] Thanks! [16:13] See all of you in two weeks [16:13] bye! [16:13] Remember, use protection [16:13] see you all, eh [16:13] over and.... [16:13] * rudeboy has left #nonprophets [16:13] * ladyatheist has quit IRC (ladyatheist) [16:14] Good show Matt...goodnight everybody! [16:14] * jer has quit IRC (jer) [16:14] * Zadius has left #nonprophets [16:14] * ouini has quit IRC (ouini) [16:14] Good show, NP! [16:14] * MorseCode has quit IRC (MorseCode) [16:14] * NeutronJack has left #nonprophets [16:14] * jarvolt has left #nonprophets [16:15] Ok...I've got to run. Thanks all! We'll see you in 2 weeks. [16:15] * arensb waves. [16:15] * arensb has quit IRC (arensb) [16:15] * Disconnected Session Close: Sat Dec 01 16:15:31 2007